NOt to my knowledge. I found the study while doing research on egodistonic disorders.

I have a close friend who's son was born without balls. We both were surprised to hear this is not all that rare too. Becuase of this he was able to choose IF he had a puberty, and if so than WHEN and at what intensity even. He chose at 13 to have it, which was this year BTW, he had implants put in last year to make him look more like his peers, but this year he decided to go all the way and have his puberty. Imagine that, being able to choose such a thing. IF it is too much for him he can also reduce the dosages he is on, or if he wants it speeded up he can have the dosages increased too (within limits of course).

So this is not exactly fantasy, it is just a rare thing.

Tom

I would probably still be on them now...:tongueout

Hello, Tom.

Been a while since we chatted. Glad to hear that the little guy is doing OK; hope the HRT goes well for him. Of course, he's probably not so little now, since the last time we were comparing notes on raising boys!

The condition of being born without testicles at ALL is known as "anorchia" and several sites can be found with a simple web search on the subject.

One interesting one I found was a note on a bulletin board from 1999 at http://www.medhelp.org/perl6/urology/archive/4294.html

Another link : http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency ... 001185.htm

Of course, the height of my worries right now are glasses, braces, and broken bones! 5 boys, 10 testicles ... everything's in place here.

But all joking aside, if anything were to happen to any of them, I am really not sure what I'd do.

As the other thread states, can the boy really be informed enough to make his own decision (which I doubt) ... or am I just going along with the notion of "boys must be boys?"

It's a thought to ponder - what if your friend's boy had refused HRT? It's not really the same as the issue of minor castration, since nature sent him on out without all of the equipment in place, but it still has me thinking.

I just had a thought:

If a boy is born without testicles, and then goes on HRT, does that mean he'll be dependent on (and presumably have to pay for?) HRT for the rest of his life in order to avoid osteoperosis?

(Does anyone know whether osteoperosis affects the Hijra from India, btw?)

happousai (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2002 11:40 am I just had a thought:

If a boy is born without testicles, and then goes on HRT, does that mean he'll be dependent on (and presumably have to pay for?) HRT for the rest of his life in order to avoid osteoperosis?

(Does anyone know whether osteoperosis affects the Hijra from India, btw?)

If the boy without testicles goes on HRT to initiate puberty, he will need testosterone

happousai (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2002 11:40 am HRT for the rest of his life

to avoid osteoporosis. Not much research seems to have been done on those who do NOT use HRT, since there are so few of them. I believe most parents and doctors will initiate puberty by HRT if it hasn't started by age 16, and the heck with the boy's consent.

Now the Italian castrati, castrated before puberty, seemed to have lived very long lives without problems with osteoporosis. Perhaps the body adjusts somehow when puberty fails to start? As noted, very scant data on this subject.

As for the Hijra of India, some are castrated before puberty, some after, but again nobody seems to be keeping medical records. I would assume that those castrated after puberty are indeed at risk from osteoporosis, but how many would live long enough for that to become a problem?

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Andrew (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2002 12:25 pm I believe most parents and doctors will initiate puberty

> by HRT if it hasn't started by age 16, and the heck with

> the boy's consent.

Either that, or convince the boy that he'll be miserable without HRT (people will treat him as a freak, he will be unhealthy, etc.) so that he won't physically put up a fight.

happousai (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2002 4:59 pm Either that, or convince the boy that he'll be miserable without HRT (people will treat him as a freak, he will be unhealthy, etc.) so that he won't physically put up a fight.

Yeah that is the problem in society. If people could be a little understanding with difference the world would be a better place.

It has been my experience that the people at the school where the child goes will be the ones to make him miserable.

It makes no difference if it is a male or female experiencing late or delayed puberty. The child becomes so miserable that they WANT to be taken to the doctor for help. They BEG to be taken to the doctor. They exhibit behaviors at home that demand that the parent(s) or guardian take some kind of action. The doctor just does the best that they can to help the child go through puberty.

Has anyone read the book Carrie or seen the movie? Do you remember what happens to Carrie who starts menstruation in the shower in the P.E. class? Kids can be cruel. That part of the book represents how life is today.

So, if you want to gripe or complain it is time to start with society in general. It is society that has little respect. Of course, it is MUCH worse in some other places in the world than it is where we come from.

A-1

If you are raising the child as a boy, and I assume that even without testicles he has a penis, then it would be natural for him to go through puberty at the same time as other boys he knows.

It's not so much that his boyfriends tease and abuse him, it's all part of growing up. Boys see others getting hairy and stronger and they want to be just like that.

I can understand that a boy of 13 would choose to enter puberty if he could see it as the natural progression of growing up.

You must remember that not everyone has trouble growing up even with all those hormones rampaging around the body.

I also believe that part of the confusion and chaos of puberty is that the brain is also growing and developing. The human brain is still growing during puberty and there are physical changes in the brain as well as mental changes. That is why teenage boys are daredevils and risk-takers believing they are indestructable.

Dave