In my hometown library there was a book called "Children In Chains" about the sex and porn trade, mostly as is applied to child sex abuse. The author was a woman and her recommendations were basically surgical 'fixing' of sex offenders.

She recommended hysterectomy for women and ... get this ... severing the nerves to the penis for men. Quite a bit of difference in punishment, don't you think? Since having a hysterectomy would do nothing to diminish a woman's cliteral and vaginal pleasure, which the same can't be said for a man with a completely numb penis.

Bboy

She sounds like one of the women libers who burned her bra in the 60's. however I do like the idea of severing the nerves for the penis, but then sew the hole shut and remove the clit on the females. Tit for tat.

River

> sew the hole shut

Or less reversibly: perform a vaginectomy, where the vaginal canal is actually excised out of the body, and the opening is sewn shut.

But, penises can be used to rape people. It's harder to do so using a vagina...

happousai (imported) wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2003 12:14 am Or less reversibly: perform a vaginectomy, where the vaginal canal is actually excised out of the body, and the opening is sewn shut.

But, penises can be used to rape people. It's harder to do so using a vagina...

Only because society has been raised to believe that only men can be sexual aggressors.

Mac (imported) wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2003 9:17 am Only because society has been raised to believe that only men can be sexual aggressors.

You're right. Just as some female rape victims have reported experiencing orgasm despite beig terrified and/or repulsed, so some males experience involuntary erection when being sexually attacked. Of course, most here recognize the phenomenon, because it is something that appears frequently in Archive stories. In any case, envelopment can be every bit as aggressive and coercive an act as penetration. Our legal system just doesn't acknowledge that fact.

pueros wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:01 am I agree with Ilya's comments.

What amazes me most about many of the messages in this thread are the illiberal attitudes displayed, which I find strange for a sexually liberal internet board.

Is this a particularly American phenomenon?

PUEROS

Yes, it is. It is even more particular

to the region of the country that elected

the current president (the region in

which Charlieje and I both reside).

i was a sex offender my first time i was inprison and i was voulntary casterated so i would not do it again

my balls and sac were removed.i feel much better now and i dont have urges for little boys anymore

i am now gay after what i went thru in prison i find i like men much better

i have not had a hard on since so i think casteration is a good thing

i have sex like a girl now ,i think iv found my true happeness

Thank you for your personal observations.

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Charlieje (imported) wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2002 2:58 pm My point is, if someone is castrated against his will, how

> long do you

A-1 (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:09 pm

happousai (imported) wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2002 8:59 pm think it will take for him to get his hands on

> some testosterone?

What about the drug called "Gonex" which destroys th

e cells in the brain that react to testosteron

e/estrogen? Does that make it impossible for HRT to work?

From what I've read on gonex.com , it just inhibits a hormone that activates the gonads (and possibly the adrenal glands) to produce sex hormones. So it wouldn't stop direct injection of testosterone/estrogen.

madscientist (imported) wrote: Sat Apr 06, 2002 1:11 pm This is a contraversial subject. Those who say it is too drastic point out that mistakes can be made. However, this does not stop the death penalty, the most drastic punishment of them all, & like castration, irreversible. There are those who say that a determined sex offender will take testosterone, thus negating the effects of the surgery. Maybe. But unless we wish to incarcerate these people for life it is really impossible to keep the truly determined from re-offending.

Having used this at the "stupid-est ever" ruse to get a surgical castraton 11 yrs. ago in Canada, I became a quasi- member of the offender community for a while. I am so _extremely_ happy that legitimate and legal methods are now available from several sources. As it was, at the time I was desperate enough to have arranged a nullification by .12 gauge, as a friend of mine had done shortly before this, as the backup plan.

In my case, once the assertion was made and after I was paraded anonymously around on talk shows, CNN and ABC (by _contract_ with a US doctor and advocate of surgical castration of sex offenders), I then had to disprove

it through rigorous testing, which I did.

The advocate had made no effort to determine actual truth of the matter, as might have been indicated by a polygraph, for instance, which I would have flunked. A messy situation. which sadly, reduces the credibility of a sincere individual's attempts to get surgical castration on the books nationwide as an option for convicted sex offenders...which I notably am not. I have no criminal record whatsoever, and am considered by therapists to have been in a dissassociative state related to a PTSD during some of this. I could write a book just on the weird twists my life took.

I'm confirmed to be gay, I take RX testosterone, and have mostly gotten past this damaging episode. Telling you all about it is part of my coming out process.

Taking Brian DeVries for example, an individual who was convicted of molesting 10 or more children: in California, serious offenders are committed to a mental institution and have very little actual prospect of ever getting out. Because of Constitutional issues, authorities have to at least try, and Devries' release is because of that.

You can be sure that someone in his position has undergone extremely thorough treatment and testing. Treatment plans can include aversion therapy using stimulating visual and/or auditory imagry and the penile plethysmograph, which detects arousal patterns, and polygraph. Intense psychotherapy intended to produce victim empathy and "breaking the chain of addiction" is common. Some of the techniques are not unlike mind control methods, in that they are intended to produce meek and compliant non-offenders (that's from second hand information).

Many offenders in the California program are opting for (or perhaps are requried to get) chemical castration during the lengthy treatment process, and a handful have graduated to surgical castration. I understand the drug they're using has unpleasant side effects. Surgical castration is not supposed to be considered in any legal decision regarding release, however.

From my perspective, surgical castration is probably going to be of great benefit to these guys...but only as part of theraputic management, which is ongoing after release.

Having experienced a tiny bit of this in a very unusual way, I

worry about the high profile guys like DeVries who will be released. The public is in a frenzy, in spite of the fact that he is likely to be pretty harmless at this point. He is probably not safe wherever he lives, and that knowledge will certainly intrude on his "eunuch calm".

(Note: post edited to remove the phrase "de facto" ("in fact") in re: my status as a member of the "offender community". Since we're talking about legal matters here, it's important to clarify that I never was one, but that I agreed to make media appearances in support of surgical castration of offenders. This was a condition of the advocate's referral to the surgeon who performed my surgical castration). There's a moral to this story: even the very desperate need to use their noggins.