lance1949 (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:52 pm It is not a felony if you get caught importing personal amounts!

What happens is that customs take the package, send you and the supplier a letter letting you know that they will destroy the contents unless you lodge a request to review. Just let them destroy it and nothing else will happen. It is a felony if you import 'saleable' quantities. Mind you what a saleable amount is I have no idea - 5 tubes?, 50 tubes I'm sure would be but who the heck would order that much anyway?

This particular supplier will refund your money or simply send you another tube if that happens - they ask you what you want to do.

I've never had a problem getting it delivered and neither have any of my friends who use it.

God news about you getting your stuff. Are you in the States?

About US law, actually, even small amounts they can come after you if they want to. But they virtually never do. Large amounts they are more likely to. The good news is, that when it comes to HRT creams, I have actually never heard of anyone in the States getting busted for it. Though, technically, it falls under "narcotics", so if they wanted to, they would come after someone over it. I do know of a woman who got her door kicked in because she had ordered DHEA, something the government mistakenly placed on the steroid lists, even though it's not one. They took it back off the list now, but this woman had been ordering it legally, as small amounts of any non-controlled drug can legaly be imported into the States without a script. There is actually a specific law placed into effect by some senator, I think it was, who did so because of all the elderly people in the States who can't afford US medicine. Unfortunately, this law doesn't cover anything that is a controlled substance. If one has a US script, it would be legal, DEA wise, but if it's not FDA approved, then it can still be confiscated. And though topical testosterone creams is proved in the States, the FDA will say, "Yeah, but we haven't inspected the company in Australia who makes it there, so we are taking your medicine to protect you from possible harm". They do this all the time with GH, which is 100% legal eagle to order from over seas. Male hormones in the UK are controlled, but only on the very weakest level. And they allow importation of it for personal use, no matter what you want it for, HRT, muscle building, anti-aging, etc. I think that's how it should be in the States.

BTW, is it my math, or does one of those 50g tubes last a whole year? Because if it's 5% testosterone and absorbs at 70%. That means to get your 5 milligram daily dose, which is the equivalent of applying one 5g Androgel, BTW, with Andromen, you would only need apply 140mg of actual cream.

140mg of Andromen cream has 7mg of testosterone.

Out of that 7 mg of testosterone, 70% is absorbed, making the dose you actually receive to be 5mg. At that rate, the daily minimum dose for Andromen would be 140mg of cream, meaning a 50g tube would last 357 days. (50,000mg of cream divided by 140mg daily application = 357)

What say you, lance1949?

Lance your confusing the way the FDA is currently "mostly" ignoring imported non CIII drugs. *Which btw is still open to being taken and have been in a variety of cases.

The DEA is VERY interested in people "importing" CIII drugs. The current law is

"in the case of any controlled substance in schedule III (other than gamma hydroxybutyric acid), or 30 milligrams of flunitrazepam, such person shall, except as provided in paragraphs (4) and (5) of this subsection, be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not more than 5 years, a fine not to exceed the greater of that authorized in accordance with the provisions of title 18 or $250,000 if the defendant is an individual or $1,000,000 if the defendant is other than an individual, or both. If any person commits such a violation after a prior conviction for a felony drug offense has become final, such person shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not more than 10 years, a fine not to exceed the greater of twice that authorized in accordance with the provisions of title 18 or $500,000 if the defendant is an individual or $2,000,000 if the defendant is other than an individual, or both. Any sentence imposing a term of imprisonment under this paragraph shall, in the absence of such a prior conviction, impose a term of supervised release of at least 2 years in addition to such term of imprisonment and shall, if there was such a prior conviction, impose a term of supervised release of at least 4 years in addition to such term of imprisonment. "

If your doing this I strongly suggest you dump out what you have and or contact a good criminal lawyer. Just because you haven't been caught and arrested doesn't mean it won't happen! Be smart! Get a doctor to write you a prescription and get it at the local Drug store. Injectable Testosterone is pretty cheap.

lance1949 (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:52 pm It is not a felony if you get caught importing personal amounts!

What happens is that customs take the package, send you and the supplier a letter letting you know that they will destroy the contents unless you lodge a request to review. Just let them destroy it and nothing else will happen. It is a felony if you import 'saleable' quantities. Mind you what a saleable amount is I have no idea - 5 tubes?, 50 tubes I'm sure would be but who the heck would order that much anyway?

This particular supplier will refund your money or simply send you another tube if that happens - they ask you what you want to do.

I've never had a problem getting it delivered and neither have any of my friends who use it.

And for what its worth the other drugs on the CIII list are serious stuff. Morphine, LSD, Hash Oil etc.

OK. I see Lance is in Australia. So he must have a script to get it, as that company would get into trouble selling to Aussie citizens with no script. And I read on their site, that one 50 g tubes would last between 50 and 100 days, depending on your dose. The recommended dose is 25 to 50mg of actual testosterone applied to the scrotum. Which is between 1/2 gram to 1 gram of actual total cream. One guy said it took his testosterone to 1500ng/dl! And that was using the recommended dose. So I imagine some people absorb it better and can use less stuff.

It's not legal to import this stuff with no script, and

Testman (imported) wrote: Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:19 pm they can come after you if they

really wanted to. It's in their legal right, but not duty. Hence, they almost always ignore small time orders. A few years ago, there was even a US customs agent on the Mexico US border who told the News crew on camera, that steroids were not considered any big deal and thats why they don't mess with it much. But this was before that monkey Bush started in about baseball a few years ago. Now it's like the higher ups in government are forcing the issue. If you guys only knew how many cops I know who use steroids with no script. Generaly, people have always preferred to live and let live, but with this government regime in American, they won't let it go. So yes, be careful. If you insist on ordering this stuff, just get one or two tubes. If they find it, the chances of them coming after you are virtually non-existant. The good news is that because it's in cream form, even though it's a CIII drug, it is not "really" thought of the same as steroids are.

Testman (imported) wrote: Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:13 pm It's not legal to import this stuff with no script, and

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they can come after you if they

really wanted to. It's in their legal right, but not duty. Hence, they almost always ignore small time orders. A few years ago, there was even a US customs agent on the Mexico US border who told the News crew on camera, that steroids were not considered any big deal and thats why they don't mess with it much. But this was before that monkey Bush started in about baseball a few years ago. Now it's like the higher ups in government are forcing the issue. If you guys only knew how many cops I know who use steroids with no script. Generaly, people have always preferred to live and let live, but with this government regime in American, they won't let it go. So yes, be careful. If you insist on ordering this stuff, just get one or two tubes. If they find it, the chances of them coming after you are virtually non-existant. The good news is that because it's in cream form, even though it's a CIII drug,
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it is not "really" thought of the same as steroids are.

Testman I suggest you read up. It IS illegal to import Schedual III drugs into the US. I understand what your saying about the variety of enforcement but your suggesting its "ok" and that still can put a guy away for a felony and serious hard time. Its happened! Is it odd that Estrogen is not CIII and Testosterone is? I dunno... I guess its how its being abused that caused them to add it to the list. I'm thinking of high school kids who want to become "Athletes" and abuse it in massive amounts. You know the damage that can be done in mega doses.

Does importing it in small amounts make it less likely that you will go to prison? Sure. But that relative. Plus what you order from the Internet might be Testosterone but what you get will really be? Who knows what kind of crap. Fake drugs are being made in massive amounts. I looked at one of the overseas pharmacies that some of our TS friends use and they say that they do not export Testosterone (And pain meds etc) into the USA. The FDA might not care about you or me buying Estrogen or Arimidex but they DEA does care about cIII stuff and at least some of the overseas pharmacies don't even do this.

BTW I'm reminded of a lyric from???

In New Jersey everythings legal until you get caught.

mrt (imported) wrote: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:19 pm Testman I suggest you read up. It IS illegal to import Schedual III drugs into the US. I understand what your saying about the variety of enforcement but your suggesting its "ok" and that still can put a guy away for a felony and serious hard time. Its happened! Is it odd that Estrogen is not CIII and Testosterone is? I dunno... I guess its how its being abused that caused them to add it to the list. I'm thinking of high school kids who want to become "Athletes" and abuse it in massive amounts. You know the damage that can be done in mega doses.

And I have to suggest you read my post.

Testman (imported) wrote: Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:13 pm It's not legal to import this stuff with no script, and

Testman (imported) wrote: Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:19 pm they can come after you if they

really wanted to. You really shouldn't have such a knee jerk reaction when I make a post.

I didn't say it wasn't controlled! I said it is not usually enforced. There is no damage in mega doses. That's why it is so odd it is controlled. This is my field, I generally know WTF is up, as I have to keep my head up. I know a lawyer who is an expert in this field, and I keep up with the current happenings. I know guys who could wallpaper their rooms with customs seizure letters. They almost never do a controlled delivery when the amount is small.

Also, you need to remember that the federal laws are almost always more lenient than the state laws. Thats why when it's a small amount, the feds don't even go after you, but the state still might, as in one state even a small amount they may get an conviction. But in some states, steroids isn't even a felony at all! In such states, importing small amounts is 99% of the time, completely ignored. For example, in my state, I could get caught selling it, and it won't even go on my record the first offense and still isn't even a felony.

I read a book about this whole "anabolic steroid control act nonsense" by that steroid lawyer, and did you know that the AMA, DEA, FDA, and one other agency, I forgot the name, were all strongly against steroids becoming controlled because they said they were not harmful. Thats the media you're listening to saying this nonsense. It was Joe Biden and some clever trickery with the help of the mass media, that got these hormones placed on the controlled list, and actually even them doing so wasn't entirely legal for them to do so. Steroids don't meat the criteria necessary to be on that list. Maybe the C4 or higher, but not no 3. BTW, that asshole Biden recently tried making them CI. Luckily he failed. Its amazing how much power just one politician can have, given that five government and medical organization were against scheduling, but the media and Biden were for it, so it happened. Anyway, the DEA still doesn't enforce this as much as you seem to want to believe.

lance1949 (imported) wrote: Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:52 pm It is not a felony if you get caught importing personal amounts!

What happens is that customs take the package, send you and the supplier a letter letting you know that they will destroy the contents unless you lodge a request to review. Just let them destroy it and nothing else will happen. It is a felony if you import 'saleable' quantities. Mind you what a saleable amount is I have no idea - 5 tubes?, 50 tubes I'm sure would be but who the heck would order that much anyway?

This particular supplier will refund your money or simply send you another tube if that happens - they ask you what you want to do.

I've never had a problem getting it delivered and neither have any of my friends who use it.

A-fucking men! The answer is to stand up to this tyranny, not become submissive to them. The only thing you're slightly off about is technically, if they wanted to, they could still call a personal supply a felony, but they over 99% of the time, never do. They just destroy it. Then your address will be flagged for a while, if you order more stuff, it is more likely to get inspected. If you keep on and on receiving to that same address, then you're asking for trouble. I wouldn't worry about the first time at all, unless you were getting a giant create of steroids in the mail.

How do you guys on TRT and/or steroids keep your HDL (good cholesterol) under control? At last test mine was 27 - much too low (normal is 40 plus). The doctor says he is concerned. I am too. If anything I am more active now than I was in times past when it was higher. Plus it is much lower than it was on my natural T - pre-surgery my HDL tested at 39. When I was taking E it tested at 53. So it's obviously the T that is causing it. Why does TRT affect HDL more adversely than natural T, and is there anything short of quitting the T that can be done about it?