Gor and Jeasus.

they any good?

Well first off you must understand that the GOD business is very competitive so it really depends on what you want a GOD for then go from there and remember you can't tell the players without a program.

River

And just to throw a wrench in the works...most modern religions refer to the King James Bible which was specifically translated to reflect King James values.

"The king gave the translators instructions designed to guarantee that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its beliefs about an ordained clergy." (Wikipedia)

The oldest known complete Christian Bible (both old and new testaments) is being posted online by the British Museum. There are a few books available now, and all books are planned to be posted before the end of 2009.

I will be quite interesting to see how King James' translation stacks up when we can all form our own opinions from the original.

I know many Christians that simply cannot read, and quote scripture out of context. There are religions that count on this!

Many Christians have a strong faith and the ability to not only read, but enjoy some of the taunting of others, it gives us cause to educate both ourselves and others.

Do you have a link to that site for the bible?

Always looking for loop holes

River

hmmm....River

Loopholes you may get

http://www.codex-sinaiticus.net/en/

There were 8 books as of today...translation a bit buggy....but the images are complete.

OneBallBoi (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:47 pm One AWESOME response Randy.. We Christian must stand together and shine our testimonies before those at Eunuch Archive. The Rapture and return of Christ is soon.

Fab Five Freddie told me everybodys' high...

...And now he's gone back up to space

Where he won't have a hassle with the human race

And you hip-hop, and you don't stop

Just blast off, sure shot

'Cause the man from Mars stopped eatin' cars and eatin' bars

And now he only eats guitars, get up!

Hang each night in Rapture

(Oops.. wrong Rapture?)

Well, Gor and Jeasus are probably better than Gog and Magog, after all...

Oi! No dissing Gog and Magog (http://www.lordmayorsshow.org/visitors/history/gogmagog), They're lovely chaps; London's guardian giants no less.

randy (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:39 pm yes. After the fall, the genetic line of Adam and his descendents was very pure, so their health would have been incredible. Living that long would not have been a problem. Also, some theologians think that there was a canopy of water that engulfed the entire earth and that it was released at the time of the flood. "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life , in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened," (Gen. 7:11). The "floodgates of the sky" are sometimes alluded to as great amounts of water suspended in the sky. Also, no rain is recorded in the Bible until after the flood which seems to support this idea. This canopy, if it is true, might have provided some sort of protection from the sun's harmful rays. We can't know for sure and it is only a theory. Nevertheless, after the flood, the lifespan of people on earth was drastically reduced. "Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years," (Gen. 6:3). Whether or not this reduced canopy had any affect on human lifespan may never be known.

Oh, Please Randy! In order to have sufficient genetic diversity there has to be more then two people otherwise you get in breeding. So I guess if your right and it was just Adam and Eve Cain and Abel married their Sisters... sounds kinky.

Randy, Can you explain why the only cultures to have a myth of a world wide flood surround the Indian Ocean? I can, Something happened in the Indian Ocean that caused a massive tsunami..earthquake, asteroid impact, etc...Also, If there had been enough water to cover Mt Everest then the atmosphere would have permanently changed into a more liquid state and Noah and family would have drowned just trying to take a breath.

randy (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:39 pm Lots daughters thought they were the last people on earth. I was not an act of sin, something Sodom was eaten up with.

31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:

32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

I think some later editor(s) thought it sounded like a good way to end a story. But you could be right and since it was alright with God for Cain and Able to have sex with family members it must have still been alright with Lot and family. Which causes me to ask...when did God change his mind and make it wrong?

randy (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:39 pm Keep the Sabbath

(Exodus 20:8) - "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 "Six days you shall labor and do all your work,

(Exodus 23:12) - "Six days you are to do your work, but on the seventh day you shall cease from labor in order that your ox and your donkey may rest, and the son of your female slave, as well as your stranger, may refresh themselves."

(Exodus 31:15) - "For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death."

(Deuteronomy 5:12) - "Observe the sabbath day to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you."

(Leviticus 26:2) - "You shall keep My sabbaths and reverence My sanctuary; I am the Lord."

Don't keep the Sabbath:

(Romans 14:5) - "One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind."

(Colossians 2:16) - "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day."

Since feeding animals is work I guess they starved for a day each week sounds kind of mean. Personally, I think that some man wrote it so he can control other humans with the threat of death and going to hell.

randy (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:39 pm It was the custom of the Jews to come together on the Sabbath, which is Saturday, cease work, and worship God. Of the 10 commandments listed in Exodus 20:1-17, only nine of them were reinstituted by in the New Testament. (Six in Matthew 19:18, murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, honor parents, and worshiping God; Romans 13:9, coveting. Worshiping God properly covers the first three commandments) The one that was not reaffirmed was the one about the Sabbath. Instead, Jesus said that He is the Lord of the Sabbath (Matt. 12:8).

In creation God rested on the seventh day. But, since God is all powerful, He doesn

’t get tired. He doesn’

randy (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:39 pm t need to take a break and rest. So, why did does it say that He rested? The reason is simple: Mark 2:27 says, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." In other words, God established the Sabbath as a rest for His people, not because He needed a break, but because we are mortal and need a time of rest, of focus on God. In this, our spirits and bodies are both renewed.

The O.T. system of Law required keeping the Sabbath as part of the overall moral, legal, and sacrificial system by which the Jewish people satisfied God’s requirements for behavior, government, and forgiveness of sins. The Sabbath was part of the Law in that sense. In order to "remain" in favor with God, you had to also keep the Sabbath. If it was not kept, then the person was in sin and would often be punished (Ezekiel 18:4; Rom. 6:23; Deut. 13:1-9; Num. 35:31; Lev. 20:2, etc.).

But with Jesus’ atonement, and justification by faith (Rom. 5:1), we no longer are required to keep the Law and hence the Sabbath which was only a shadow of things to come (Col. 2:16-17). We are not under Law, but grace (Rom. 6:14-15). The Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus because in Him we have rest (Matt. 11:28). We are not under obligation to keep the Law and this goes for the Sabbath as well.

Back in Ancient Egypt the work week was nine days and they only got one day off to relax! So I think the editors and writers decided they wanted a shorter week and at least one whole day to relax. Also, at that time people got up at sunrise and worked the whole day and perhaps even longer under a torch. That is all they did work, work, work, so of course they needed a day off. So Randy when was the last time you worked a 12 to 18 hour day for Nine days with out overtime, breaks, lunches etc...?

randy (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:39 pm Slavery was permitted in the Bible because of sin in the world. It existed before the Jews were formed as a nation and it existed after Israel was conquered. God allows many things to happen in the world such as storms, famine, murder, etc. Slavery, like divorce, is not preferred by God. Instead, it is allowed. Where many nations treated their slaves very badly, the Bible gave many rights and privileges to slaves. So, even though it isn't the best way to deal with people, because God has allowed man freedom, slavery then exists. God instructed the Israelites to treat them properly.

The Bible acknowledged the slave’s status as the property of the master (Ex. 21:23; Lev. 25:46),

The Bible restricted the master’s power over the slave. Ex. 21:20).

The slave was a member of the master’s household (Lev. 22:11)

The slave was required to rest on the Sabbath (Exodus 20:10; Deut. 5:14)

The slave was required and to participate in religious observances (Gen. 17:13; Exodus 12:44; Lev. 22:11).

The Bible prohibited extradition of slaves and granted them asylum (Deut. 23:16-17).

The servitude of a Hebrew debt-slave was limited to six years (Ex. 21:2; Deut. 15:12).

When a slave was freed, he was to receive gifts that enabled him to survive economically (Deut. 15:14)

The reality of slavery cannot be denied. slave labor played a minor economic role in the ancient Near East, for privately owned slaves functioned more as domestic servants than as an agricultural or industrial labor force. -carm

Randy, Slavery played a major role in the ancient times! It was in the best interest of the Owner to treat the slaves in a proper manner because it costs money to replace them and then train them.

Slavery was allowed because of the "sin of the world", so i guess that means there is no more "sin of the world" the modern nations of today? or did God simply change his mind? But if God changed his mind then he is not perfect, but God is perfect so he could not have changed his mind...there is a logic error in hear someplace....i bet man grew up and realized slavery was just wrong.

OneBallBoi (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:47 pm One AWESOME response Randy.. We Christian must stand together and shine our testimonies before those at Eunuch Archive. The Rapture and return of Christ is soon.

Oh please spare us this rapture bull shit! The rapture idea was created by the Evangelical nut cases (the same people that are trying to pass prop 8) and was first created in 1908 by William Eugene Blackstone (although some say it goes back to 1830s and the dream of a little girl.

Some idiot misreads one or two passages in the bible and creates a whole mythology about a rapture! It drives me crazy. God is perfect and all loving! God has no petty human emotions like vengeance, hatred, greed, etc... God sends us down to earth to learn and report back, and he will gives us as many lifetimes as we wish to obtain our own level of perfection.

God wont destroy the earth because that is mans job.