The Lurker (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:43 pm I often wonder if the FB1 surfs these pages looking for ways to bust EA members...

Way back when I thought that 1nsanec1own character was looking for some sort of trouble of that ilk.

I doubt it.

I believe that law enforcement comes here from time to time looking for specific reasons.

AS for Todd and Robyn, I am at a loss for words.

Todd should have never agreed to do such a thing to a minor.

There is an active thread on these message boards about castration of minor males and it makes me nervous for the site. However, DOING it is a crime. So far, talking of it is not.

However, there is always somebody who acts on such things.

Nobody should be altering the genitalia of minors, not even with male circumcision.

...let alone cut the clitoris and labia minora from a minor female...

A-1 (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:59 pm Todd should have never agreed to do such a thing to a minor.

According to Todd, and other reports, he never actually agreed to cut the girl, even though the 'couple' kept offering larger and larger sums of money, until they reached outrageous levels.

Those persecuting him, however, felt they had enough to go on to raid him though. And in the process found enough to prosecute him. Including naked pictures of Robyn's kid, which were classed as child porn, although reports say they were merely the innocent pics any parent might take, such as the child having fun in a bubble bath. Also reportedly included in his prosecution were pics that had been spammed to him in his email, which were deleted. These were overkill though, as the pictures of him performing the clitorectomies were enough, considering as in the US (and many other countries) such acts are illegal, even with the permission of the woman involved. However, the 'child porn' charges were enough to arrest Robyn and accessory charges on the "FGM" procedures did the rest.

BossTamsin (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:41 pm According to Todd, and other reports, he never actually agreed to cut the girl, even though the 'couple' kept offering larger and larger sums of money, until they reached outrageous levels.

Those persecuting him, however, felt they had enough to go on to raid him though. And in the process found enough to prosecute him. Including naked pictures of Robyn's kid, which were classed as child porn, although reports say they were merely the innocent pics any parent might take, such as the child having fun in a bubble bath. Also reportedly included in his prosecution were pics that had been spammed to him in his email, which were deleted. These were overkill though, as the pictures of him performing the clitorectomies were enough, considering as in the US (and many other countries) such acts are illegal, even with the permission of the woman involved. However, the 'child porn' charges were enough to arrest Robyn and accessory charges on the "FGM" procedures did the rest.

Unfortunately, that sounds more like what might well have happened. How much longer does he have to serve in prison?

In the U.S. the child porn statutes forbid the taking or possession of nude photos of any child by any person (including parents). There are exceptions for medical purposes and cases of "artistic merit". Artistic merit cases usually end up being decided by a judge. The law is draconian in its scope as most reasonable defences are specifically not allowed. This only applies to photos not to drawings or paintings. Computer produced images are usually allowed but there have been unsuccessful attempts at prosecution. --FLO--

Obviously these laws were created by IDIOTS.

If I had a newborn baby and my wife was giving it its first bath, and I took photos of it, I would be guilty of a crime?

s-t-u-p-i-d

Amen. Makes no sense.

MacTheWolf (imported) wrote: Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:16 am Obviously these laws were created by IDIOTS.

If I had a newborn baby and my wife was giving it its first bath, and I took photos of it, I would be guilty of a crime?

s-t-u-p-i-d

We live in a very paranoid society today, fear rules over common sense.

River

I think anyone lopping off body parts (whether by agreement of the loppee or not) should definitely be serving some major prison time. I recently heard of some people who set up shop at a flea market insalling rapper-style "grills" on people's teeth, and they are now going to prison for practicing dentistry without a license. Same thing, IMO.

I am glad for R. that she is happy. I hope she is healthier as well.

jane_says (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:46 pm I think anyone lopping off body parts (whether by agreement of the loppee or not) should definitely be serving some major prison time. I recently heard of some people who set up shop at a flea market insalling rapper-style "grills" on people's teeth, and they are now going to prison for practicing dentistry without a license. Same thing, IMO.

I am glad for R. that she is happy. I hope she is healthier as well.

LUV U, Jane.

I remember how upset you were when I directed you to the website where the pics were posted...

...you made a comment about how you just had to be a "rubberneck" or something to that effect.

If somebody entrusts their body into your hands, it may be one thing to mark it, but it is quite another to alter it... even if they say they don't care...

...I just feel sorry that part of her capacity no longer exists, but she is pregnant or has had a child I hope that she has learned from the experience that she had and protects herself from a repeat. Of course, it could be worse. They STILL have not found that Natalee Holloway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalee_Holloway), and how much better off would she be today if she had taken up with Todd and she was alive and all that was 'missing' of her were her clitoris and labia minora?

The irony of it is that the assholes who killed her are still running the streets and Todd is in jail but he never killed anybody, did he?

Maybe if Todd could cut the penises and balls off of those bastards in Aruba then justice could be served and Todd could be released for doing his "community service"... :shakemitk

I remember that too, A-1. And I'm still a rubbernecker. I slow down for a car accident to this day.

Yeah, I'm sure it would be better to go around without "full capacity" than be dead. But Todd was tried and convicted, and sentenced under guidelines set out under the law. At some point, Robyn must have agreed to the situation she was living in (otherwise, he'd have been charged with false imprisonment or kidnapping or something, right?) I don't recall hearing she was there against her will. Even for a modern-day "slave", I don't believe for one second there's not a way out. At some time, she hooked up with Todd and made a decision to participate in the "lifestyle".

I agree that someone should be prosecuted in the Natalee Holloway disappearance, but I don't know who. None of us here have any proof who committed that crime -- or even if a crime was committed. She's gone, sure, but we don't have any idea where she is and no concrete evidence as to who caused her disappearance. I'd like justice for her and for her family, but under the law and due process.