There is no way God would mind if someone was castrated. If someone feels this strongly about their religion and their commitment to it, then I feel we shouldn't judge it, since it doesn't harm anyone else.

IbPervert (imported) wrote: Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:32 pm I think a good proposal would be that at puberty everyone has take an IQ test, and if they fail it then they walk out a eunuch! This would cut down on the world population and increase the IQ level as well....

Far better to devise a test for propensity to evil and castrate for that. Some of the most evil men inthe world have also been very smart and those that were not didn't get far enough to do a lot of damage. IQ isn't everything it is cracked up to be.

Also to those who cited the "Go forth and multiply" clause, my view was that it was not from God at all. Rather it was a story put about by the ruling class (militant prophets not unlike Usama bin Laden) who wanted to increase the supply of cannon fodder to pursue their paths of conquest and was unlikely to have come from God given the damage that has been wreaked on His creations by the results of overprolific breeding. No wonder He is developing all these new diseases to try and bring it all back under control

God is all loving, and does not create disease or cause problems of any sort! How can a God that claims to be all loving purposely inflict plague, and disease down on people that he claims he loves very much? That would be like having a father lovingly inflict cancer on his children!

The diseases have been on earth all long, and only now becoming noticed because of mass communication fast transportation and things like clear cutting whole forests. A good example is AIDS. Many people think of it as a modern disease, but it is not! There are cases that go back to the early 1800's of sailors coming back from Africa with a strange wasting disease.

Does God mind if someone becomes a nun and never has children? No, but is this not a form of mental castration? Then why would God care if you physically become castrated?

You want a test for evil? Then try this....

The difference between good and evil is that evil does not and can not feel guilt! Do you think Manson feels guilty for having all those people murdered? No! However, you steel a candy bar and you will feel guilty the rest of your life.

I heard a great comment on the radio about God and disasters, death and so on.

The question was "God why do you allow people to starve, death and doom to happen?"

God answers "You are my Agents in the world - why do you allow people to starve, death and doom to happen?"

Which I thought was pretty profound....

mrt.

That IS a very good way of looking at the situation.

mrt (imported) wrote: Wed May 14, 2008 10:08 am I heard a great comment on the radio about God and disasters, death and so on.

The question was "God why do you allow people to starve, death and doom to happen?"

God answers "You are my Agents in the world - why do you allow people to starve, death and doom to happen?"

Which I thought was pretty profound....

Never heard that before. Very nice Of course, we don't want to forget what the Bible says - God is the creator of anything that ever was, including evil. (Isa 45:7) He knows what he is doing. The above mentioned hardships have a purpose.

I heard this on MPR and can't remember who said it. I know he was searching for some answers and tried various things like helping Mother Teresa. Dang- my memory since HRT is better but... Anyway I thought it had the ring of truth to what God "MIGHT" say if asked that question. Anyway this was a question that always stuck in my head and when he said this I kind of slapped my head because it made sense.

There was also a good book that was titled "What Jesus Said" which tried to examine not what other people "Think" Jesus "Meant" but what he said with less "My 2 cents worth" and I was blown away. I thought that this IS the real deal...

Regarding the O.T., it was superseded in many ways by the N.T. Somethings in the O.T. are still applicable and reconfirmed in the N.T., but much is not. Christ's sacrifice on the cross did away with the O.T. sacrificial system. Christ did away with the need for priests and prophets. He is the one and only High Priest (Heb. 7-10). There are no prophets today, today God speaks to us through His Son (Heb. 1:1). Jesus became the one final sacrifice and through belief in Him, the Bible says there is life and that eternal. Sin is sin and it must be confessed (1 John 1:7-9), through confession sin is forgiven. So even if a man castrates himself or allows himself to be castrated by another, that sin (if it is sin) is forgiven. The only sin that is not forgiven is unbelief from my understanding. That's the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit works to convict men of sin, if men (women) reject the convicting work, which is to recognize their sinfulness & to believe in Christ, that sin is unforgivable. That's my understanding. So the Christian is to strive to be righteous & holy, but Christians are still capable of sin and do sin, that's why Christians are sometimes called hypocrites. They want to do what's right in God's sight, but the old sinful nature sometimes takes over and they sin. That's when the Christian is convicted by the H.S. and that's when they must confess the sin and strive to be obedient & holy. Well, that's enough theology for today. I am amazed at the number of eunuchs who read the Bible/know the Bible. More and more I think Matt. 19 must be taken more literally then most do. Perhaps the Lord knew that some of us could not control our sex drives without getting castrated. Just an observation. Hash

I like to read the Bible, it has NEVER failed me in all this time, I always I find something relating to whatever dilemma or problem I face. so I like to check the Bible every now and then for some advice. (By the way, I am NOT devout, pious, religious, and I absolutely despise zealots or "Bible-thumpers.")

But I when read the Bible, I simply take it for what it is, what it says, I do NOT try to read my own views into it. This is so soooooo different from the way most everyone else I know reads it. For example, when people say that you should not use vulgar language, they always "quote" the Bible and say that Jesus said we "should not swear." Well, his actual instruction was not to "swear by..." or take any oaths. There is a commandment agains "taking the lord's name in vain," and the prophet Isaiah was visited by and angel who held a hot coal to his lips for some of his vulgar talk, but when Jesus spoke to his disciples and told them not to swear, I think his meaning is clearly aimed at "swearing by God" or "swearing on my mother's grave" or "swearing" that ANYTHING will or won't happen.

Most people I know who read the Bible, really do not take it for what it says, they force an "interpretation" that is only their own view on a subject. Then if you ever really catch them in some blatant contradiction, they go on about how their own church has the one and only true translation of the original text.... blah blah blah. Bottom line, they invaribly are the one and only true believers, and they end up believing only what the wanted to believe before they ever looked at a Bible.

I just take it like it is written, and on the subject of castration, Jesus is quoted as saying very simply and clearly, "let him who can accept it accept it." It is not a "commandment" against it, it is not an order to do it, simply let those who can accept it get castrated, those who cannot accept it are not wrong, those who can accept it are not wrong either. Actually, I feel the "Biblical view on castration" is slightly in favor of it, the wording "let him who can accept it" seems to me to say that IF you are one who can, then do this thing, but if you are not able to accept it, then don't.

Can't forget Is. 56:4-5 There is some difference between Jewish and Gentile

regulations. Remember the circumcision argument.