plix (imported) wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:50 pm Believe me, I am one of the first to say that government doesn't have any right to tell athletes or anyone else what they can and cannot put into their own bodies. If someone wants to use T or GH or whatever else, it should be a personal choice.

And I would love to supplment my T with some GH. While my levels may still be high at 23, they are not the levels of a 15 year-old, and I think the T would work better with some GH added in. But as I've said before, there is no way in heck I am going to get a doctor to prescribe me GH. And since I wouldn't have a clue where to start to find it elsewhere, I am pretty much out of luck.

I have also been a proponent of giving GH to transsexuals interested in a full transition, especially older ones. I think it would do wonders for the results they would see, as GH is one of the driving factors in either sex hormone changing our bodies. I think it should be a standard part of the hormone protocol for any interested TS.

GH will also make a person more sexual and also increase the receptor's sensitivity to testosterone. And orgasms are also "deeper" when I use GH. And I am only 33. Imagine the improvement someone who was like 40 and over would get from it! A doc will prescribe it if over 30, but most won't. For the longest time, one could get very affordable GH from China and it was legal. But now even that is becoming controlled in more and more states. Then our government sent some agents to China and arrested people who were sending GH LEGALLY to the USA. Amazing. I guess they got them on "state" charges, as it is still legal to import on the federal level. But when was the last time anyone ever heard of a state having authority in another country? That really is weird. It would seem they would have to arrest them at the federal level, but as stated, it is legal on the federal level to import.

GH does magic for skin appearance, and because one way women look good is they have nice skin, it would seem that if an aging M to F transsexual were to also get on GH, their skin may very well look better and make them more attractive.

plix (imported) wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:50 pm Believe me, I am one of the first to say that government doesn't have any right to tell athletes or anyone else what they can and cannot put into their own bodies. If someone wants to use T or GH or whatever else, it should be a personal choice.

I very strongly agree with you on this one. I think I should be allowed to have my levels where they should be at sometime following the first infection I was between 651-755 depending on the scale and trying to keep in shape and working out.

plix (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:13 pm But government should not have the right to tell peopl

plix (imported) wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:50 pm e what they

plix (imported) wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:13 pm can and cannot put into their own

bodies.

That is what I am trying to say

Exacatley, I do not like our Ethics Bill Cliton Signed a Bill in 1996 and 1997 making it illegal to make leydig cells or semen producing cells, it is possible you could get your cells re grown into new ones.

Our medical Ethics are more limited in things like Stem Cell transplants as well of any kind related especially to the male.

I am still feeling ok on the 10 mg of Testosterone gel Just Sex Drive has not been as good as I would like for it to be, I hope it starts to improve as well.

also remember the insurance companies play almost a bigger role in our life than the government bunch(they lobby and influence government policy ,dictate to the doctors how things will be ,ect)

and they are not our friends either

crankshaft (imported) wrote: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:02 pm also remember the insurance companies play almost a bigger role in our life than the government bunch(they lobby and influence government policy ,dictate to the doctors how things will be ,ect)

and they are not our friends either

Yes Testosterone is not generally covered and you have to go through heck to try and get it paid for, I pay for my Own Testosterone medication.

I as well paid the Dr as one Dr a Urologist said he would not treat me even as I am too young to have low testosterone and I had the referring Dr's test results he said he would only treat infection and nothing to do with testosterone as he does not belive in it. So I finally found a Dr that I could consult with along with my Dr and it has been heck trying to get a good Physician who will even treat male androgen defficiencey low or not.

I hate all the BS in the USA with androgens etc.

Two weeks ago I was FINALLY, AT LAST, diagnosed with "low testosterone". This is something I had been working towards and looking forward to for some time.* I Don't know yet what the T count is but I will find out that number when I do a followup with the Dr. (the diagnoses and prescription were sent to me by mail......actually being able to talk with the Dr. seems to be only possible via an appointment). I was prescribed 50mg of testosterone in a gel called Testim, to be applied once a day.

After achieving low T-count and Before gel:

Sexually: I finally lost all interest in sex: mental, physical, fantasy. It became extremely difficult, almost impossible, to get an erection and when one finally came along, the road to climax was a long one, usually with no results, or the main event was very anti-climatic and unfulfilling. Non-erect penis became shrunken. In fact it would receed inside it's skin so far it looked like I had no penis.

Non-sexually: I lost all interest in those things in life that are personal interests, personal passions, hobbies, activities, etc. My enjoyment of life in general was diminished. Living was becoming more of a mere existence. I felt blah.

After 2 weeks of testosterone gel:

Non-sexually: I am again beginning to participate in my personal interests and passions. I don't feel like I am just existing. This is good. I did not care for the blah feeling I had before.

Sexually. I wake up almost every night with a big firm erection. My cock doesn't seem ready yet for the rules of engagement though as it is still a bit of a challenge to ejaculate. It is not easy (yet?) to get sexually aroused (mentally, physically, or fantasy) during daytime hours, though I do feel as though that part of me is trying to make a comeback (so to speak).

As I have stated elsewhere within the forum my hope is that through testosterone supplements to achieve a T-count that is good for my mind/body. Before I finally managed to achieve a permanent low T-count, I engaged in and thought about sex so much that it was a negative factor to my general enjoyment of life. I became so sexually frustrated I actually attempted self-castration, but all I achieved was sterility, a trip to the hospital, a "fix it" operation, and my hormones raged on. I would have had surgical castration, but cost and my general lack of common sense prevailed.

*I was able to achieve a low T-count via non-chemical, non-surgical, non-burdizzo methods. I would not suggest or recommend that anyone do what I did so I won't go into that here. The process was self administered, very painful and even though non-surgical is not without risk. But for me the results are at last worth what I had to go through. Fringe benefit, both balls are completely numb. Really! I can put each in the palm of my hand, squeeze as hard as I can, and nothing, zip, no pain in either testicle (although there is still some sensitivity in some of the goodies in my right testicle that are outside of the testicle and in the sack; the left one is absolutely a deadnut through and through).

Since I started taking Testim Gel my balls seem to be shrinking in size, which for me is an additional fringe benefit. If they shrank into oblivion that would suit me just fine. If they don't then I will still eventually desire surgical castration. At least when that happens it won't be done in a careless way out of thoughless despiration; I can be more methodical and elect to have it done in a medically safe way. I would prefer the abdominal non-scrotum method that removes everything and I would prefer to keep my scrotum. Another fringe benefit: don't wait until cancer invades your balls.....get rid of them early and avoid chemo or radiation.

I'm probably not following whats going on because it sounds like your trying to lower your natal testosterone and want healthy testosterone levels from the gel? Err? Whats that about?

Anyway, at least for me sex drive and mental focus were things that took a long time to come back. Don't be upset if weeks or even months go by and your still not feeling normal. And once you do there is some readjustment to do to get used to all cylinders firing.

dancinggizmos (imported) wrote: Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:54 pm Yes Testosterone is not generally covered and you have to go through heck to try and get it paid for, I pay for my Own Testosterone medication.

I as well paid the Dr as one Dr a Urologist said he would not treat me even as I am too young to have low testosterone and I had the referring Dr's test results he said he would only treat infection and nothing to do with testosterone as he does not belive in it. So I finally found a Dr that I could consult with along with my Dr and it has been heck trying to get a good Physician who will even treat male androgen defficiencey low or not.

I hate all the BS in the USA with androgens etc.

Whew... your experience sounds awful. How is 'age' a factor in your testosterone production. You have it or you don't. As to not believing in testosterone? Ahh.... RUN don't walk out of that quacks office and find a doctor who passed his exams...

You might want to quit the (idiot) specialists and just talk to a GP that treats a lot of women. They at least will be familiar with female hormone problems and the male versions are not so different that they won't be able to give it a good try at least.

I will have to weigh in as another "pro testosterone" member. I have been on Androgel for eight years now, which makes me an early adopter. My doctor put me on it when it became apparent that my testicles were not going to recover from twelve years of high prolactin and I wanted to resume a sex life.

Here are my results:

1. Testosterone level.

Even with the low dose (5g) package, my testosterone level is about that of a 20 year old. This is quite distracting, after 12 years of no erections, since I'm as horny as a two-peckered billy goat. However, I have excellent bone density and am able to stay reasonably fit since it counteracts the side effect of loss of muscle mass from the medication that suppresses my tumor (bromocriptine).

2. Testicular atrophy:

You bet! What's left of my testicles has almost completely disappeared. They are now, literally, about the size of garbanzo beans, and totally non-functioning. The cords occupy most of the space in my scrotum. The testicles are an afterthought. At a recent physical examination, my doctor was genuinely surprised at the extent of the atrophy. He even admitted that my notion of having them removed, along with my scrotum, for aesthetic reasons, might not be an unreasonable request...if I can afford to pay for it. (Although I have reconsidered this position after corresponding with a couple of members about their prosthetic replacements.)

3. Erections and sex

I have good, serviceable, erections. They are certainly nothing like they were before the prolactinoma, but I am still slightly above average in size and get no complaints. Twelve years without erections causes the expandable tissue in the penis to loose it's elasticity. This is what causes that apparent penis shrinkage. An unassisted erection is about 1-1/2 inches shorter and 1/2 in less in diameter than it was. However, with the assistance of a vacuum pump, (prescription, not a toy) I can make it as big as it was, for about a half hour, for any partner who remembers it's former size. That's OK since a half hour is about the longest that I have the stamina for continuous intercourse any more anyway. I have to use a warming gel to lube the vacuum pump since my partners have told me that my penis feel unnaturally cold when pumped up.

4. Other "T" Aids.

Someone suggested that I try Androstindione, one of the "doping" drugs that the former East German athletes used, when I was going to have sex to improve my stamina. It causes the adrenal glands to produce testosterone. Well, there is such a thing as too much "T". Aside from almost Priapal erections, which was appreciated, there was a high so intense that I felt as though I was bouncing between the bed and the ceiling...this was not appreciated. Conclusion, if you are using one "T" supplement, don't add another.

5. Attitude

I was SO, goddamn depressed during my period of low testosterone, that I was suicidal. I would never want to experience that again. Going on Androgel, was, for me anyway, like passing a road sign that said, "RESUME LIFE".

That's just one man's experience, in my case, very positive. Your mileage may vary.