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Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:44 pm
by dark_soul (imported)
I do not know that much of a problem with that if one assumes that hstorias are fictional, even I'm thinking of opening a place for stories, since I see you are here with their things.

It's a shame that a site that was a benchmark in terms of castration and other histoire come to this.

If it is almost what others think but are in a mistake, or worse a fictional censoring a site dedicated to why we are wrong. Where is the freedom of expression perhaps to death.

Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:04 pm
by Cainanite (imported)
Losethem (imported) wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:31 am Wow, an 85% drop in traffic. I think that is a compelling story, the thought and reason I'll leave for you to decide since I no longer offer any opinions.

--LT

I too think that is a very significant figure. It should definitely be discussed regarding the return (or not) of the Fiction Archive. I'm very enlightened with that figure.

If I showed my disappointment, it was against turning this dialog into a finger pointing game. That won't do us any good.

I'm sure bandwidth issues will be a part of the decision. Clearly losing the stories has meant a big drop in traffic. If that translates to less members getting the help they need, I don't know. Maybe it is a good thing, and makes hosting the EA easier. I don't know that either.

Thanks for that info talula. Good question Wolf-Pup.

Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:29 pm
by hardon1951 (imported)
i do not like any form of censorship where will it stop i believe ur rights stop when u trample on my rights i have not read anythng on EA that i feel is unappropiate they stories just stories they alwarned if u were a minor leave mom and dad can put controls on computor and 99% of minor know how to get around i dont think passwords will help they just make an account of their own and go right on it hard to stop a train i hope the personals come back like they were it was easy to read! the only complaint i have is u could not make correction to your profile i notice several like as follows SANFRANSCO CANADA but u could not correct ur profile i am not a wiz on the computor but hope this can be fixed and i hope we all dontm have to rewrite all of our profiles nor lose the friend we have made just do ur best guys and gals we love ya and wish u the best

Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:29 pm
by Riverwind (imported)
The drop off is related to the story board, we are still looking at it and will decide later this week where we go next. We hope to get the story board back up soon but its still a ways off as there is so much work to do first.

River

Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:50 pm
by Riverwind (imported)
We have never deleted any story, we have them all, they are all very safe and we hope to get them back out at some time in the near future.

I took the article from A-1 and looked under the covers for the three stories that this Tonya person claims to have posted, they don't exist.

So who is this Tonya person?

What was her user name?

What was she really ban for, if she was ever a member here in the first place?

As much as everybody would love to think we are a bunch of power hungry assholes we are anything but, I must say, we try to keep this place safe, civil, and very open. There will always be someone that gets ban and thinks they were treated badly. I wonder if that same person also ever got fired from a job, and for what? I am sure if you asked them it would be for nothing.

Think about it, and does anybody know who this Tonya person is?

River

Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:05 am
by Stefan (imported)
Cainanite (imported) wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:04 pm I'm sure bandwidth issues will be a part of the decision. Clearly losing the stories has meant a big drop in traffic. If that translates to less members getting the help they need, I don't know. Maybe it is a good thing, and makes hosting the EA easier. I don't know that either.

I don't think, tha we'll have less members in the discoussion forum. But the stories very easy to read and in different languagers. It's much easier read something in your mother tongue than in an other language you learnd. If you will get information here in the board it's mostly in English - not a problem for me, but there is a wide range of people, they need help an don't speak English. Of course they will become help at this friendly place, but many thin - oh, thats english, I'm not good in it.

Back to the sotries: In my opinion it were the different languages and the wide range of themes that brought readers to the story board. Perhaps there is a possibility to bring back the stories in future.

Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:48 am
by humanbean (imported)
Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:50 pm We have never deleted any story, we have them all, they are all very safe and we hope to get them back out at some time in the near future.

I took the article from A-1 and looked under the covers for the three stories that this Tonya person claims to have posted, they don't exist.

So who is this Tonya person?

What was her user name?

What was she really ban for, if she was ever a member here in the first place?

As much as everybody would love to think we are a bunch of power hungry assholes we are anything but, I must say, we try to keep this place safe, civil, and very open. There will always be someone that gets ban and thinks they were treated badly. I wonder if that same person also ever got fired from a job, and for what? I am sure if you asked them it would be for nothing.

Think about it, and does anybody know who this Tonya person is?

River

i think this is Tanya Simmonds, or sometimes Mistress Hades

Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:42 pm
by Tad..... (imported)
Methinks it’s still a perception issue. Y’know the deal…comprised of only a slender percentage of the total, the depraved commonly harbor material similar to that of the Story Archive. The mis-thinking then follows that every reader/writer of the same must be deranged. And with ‘minor’ issues rather hyped now, that’s what’s in focus.

Elimination of minor stories could be a solution…but there are caveats. Many (most?) of us do trace our sexuality back to our minor years…and stories can provide a least some level of cathartic release. Also the number of minor stories is significant. Via the WayBackMachine, the Story Archive index for authors whose names began with the letter “B” stood at something like 470 English-language stores (out of 8984 total). There were over 150 which dealt with minors.

Tad

Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:02 am
by janekane (imported)
My awareness of disparity between my inner sense of personhood and society's definition of boy-man was vivid for me long before I was 18 months of age. Both of my parents observed that I had not gone through the infant-child t transition, or, as my mother sometimes called it, the terrible twos.

Never having made the infant-child transition, there was no way for me to achieve the child-adolescent or adolescent-adult transitions. While inconsequential trivialities tend not to register clearly in my recallable memories, I find I have none of the usual amnesia for early life experiences that seem to me to be ordinary, if not virtually universal, in the lives of people who do the infant-child-adolescent-adult transitions in socially typical ways.

To me, the core issues of personal identity with respect to society arise very early in life, and are not much accessible to people who do the infant---adult transition sequence in the socially approved manner. However, the way and manner in which I find that I am autistic may have allowed me to retain a usefully clear understanding of why, presented with the choices of transitioning (by which I mean both infant---adult and MtFtE), I chose, with very deliberate and conscious will, to avoid
janekane (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:08 am the infant-child transition, and
put considerable investment into thought, emotion, cognition, affect and plausible consequences in terms of MtFtE.

The events of my life strongly inform me that the reason for objections arising regarding the minor-themed stories is their tending to remind people who transitioned from infant to child to adolescent to adult by using forms of amnesia (or neurological trauma responses?) to keep secret from self the traumatic aspects of the process of infant---adult transitions.

The usual infant-child-adolescent-adult social stage transitions are obviously not necessary for a person to live a life experienced as decent and well worth living, and this being obvious is demonstrated by my living a life which I experience, and have always experienced, as decent and well worth living. Not only that, but it seems terribly clear to me that, had I done the infant-child transition in any way approximating what appears to me to be commonplace, I surely would have experienced my life as being far less decent and vastly less worth living than has been true for me.

I harbor the notion that a person's awareness of any event is the result of a complex sequence of aspects of biological process. While I allow that it is commonplace to hold that people's perceptions of events are what people attend to, I have a rather different notion which works for me.

To illustrate, suppose there is an event which gets a person's attention. What are the steps involved in the person's observing the event? I find it somewhat useful to parse the process of observation into a neurological process that makes somewhat useful sense to me.

There is the event itself, which, for the person to become aware of it, has to activate sensory neurons. These sensory neurons have to activate afferent (toward the brain) pathways, and t he arrival of such activation (afferent action potentials?) at the brain and the brain's becoming alerted to them is perception. However, observation is usefully, for me if for no one else, found to be made of two main aspects, recognition and noting. If the brain becomes alerted and nothing is noted (no memory or memories formed), then no observation has occurred.

Recognition is, for me, the sequence of event, sensation, action potentials, perception, and interpretation. Interpretations are of denotations (words not needed) and connotations (words required).

For an observation to exist, the memory of the interpretation has to be remembered, and memory is, I observe, invariably reconstructive, and the reconstruction of a memory involves some event activating the brain region holding the memory, this activating event results in that brain region effectively sensing the memory, the sensed memory activating action potentials which are perceived and interpreted; the interpretation of a memory is never identically the interpretation of the original event made during the forming of the initial brain memory pattern.

The MoM is soon to happen. Whether I will be a useful participant at the MoM is yet to be learned. What I do resoundingly know, am very familiar with, and profoundly understand is of the relationship between the minor-themed stories and aspects of social tradition which I find tend to result in devastating forms of brain damage which tend to be concealed within reality-distorting, socially-mandated psychological defenses.

I set out, with conscious intent, to learn what would happen in my life were I to ferret out every psychological defense mechanism I could locate and leave it out of my life and my adaptation to life. Of course, I was emphatically informed that living without psychological defenses was impossible. However, I figured that distortions of reality may be what makes some people experience life as being far more difficult than I have experienced it, and the notion that living without psychological defenses was impossible, I took to be a plausibly testable hypothesis.

It is my observation that psychological defenses are trauma responses; survival responses to life events which are significantly brain damaging, and which are often acquired and developed in consequenc
janekane (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:08 am e of coercive indoctrination of
scientifically-neurologically absurd beliefs which are part and parcel of a supposed social contract.

Re: Reining in the Controversy.

Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:14 am
by janekane (imported)
Perhaps a little elaboration on the notion of a social contract would be useful.

A contract is an agreement between two or more parties. For a contract to be valid, the contract has to be practicable, the parties have to actually understand the contract, and the parties have to agree to the contract through informed consent.

Consider the circa-1762 work of Jean Jacques Rousseau, "The Social Contract, Or Principles of Political Right." (I have read it in English translation.)

Does any valid social contract yet exist? Not that I can find. Until the processes of individual decision-making are fully understood, agreement through informed consent will remain impossible. Until the processes of individual decision-making are fully understood, unanticipated contingencies tend to arise which were not within the understanding of the contract extant at the time of the making of the contract.

Now, consider an infant being made subject to a social contract which those who impose the contract cannot understand, and so have never been capable of consenting to through having been fully informed as to the future nature and function of the purported contract?

Some of the minor-themed Eunuch Archive Fiction Stories plausibly violate the social contract.

There is no such actual social contract.