• Calcium Chloride and Other Salt Injections for Castration

Posted: **Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:28 pm**

Upon closer inspection, something seems to be happening. They're slightly smaller, just slightly, but they're misshaping... they're flattening out... it's hard to describe what I mean, but they weren't like this before.

Posted: **Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:47 pm**

how many times have you injected ?

Posted: **Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:18 pm**

knightbird111 (imported) wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:47 pm how many times have you injected ?

Wait what? Just once each o_o

Posted: **Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:11 pm**

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:30 am As mentioned by some, mixing with alcohol is actually used in some of the experiments, and has the "merit" of helping sterilize the solution and also doing some initial damage and also some numbing during the injection itself. So it is a valid experiment as far as experiments go.

The only thing is you have to do the math to ensure the dosing. 30% CaCl mixed with equal amount alcohol will result in 15% CaCl. And 1ml is about half the effective dose again. So you're injecting a less than recommended concentration at half the amount. I wouldn't consider the alcohol to "make up the difference" because they have quite different effect, so the long-term withering effect of CaCl will be diminished.

However, there is nothing wrong with starting smaller in quantity or concentration, presumably some potential for bad things (intolerable pain or safety) is lessened, except with smaller dose the experiment is really about testing tolerance and not really effectiveness -- expect you'd have to redo later at a higher dose.

The effective dose is probably more like two parts CaCl to one part alcohol = 20% concentration, and dosed at 2 to 3 cc per testicle.

Assuming the liquid form CACL I purchased is as advertised (30-32%), then a 3 to 1 ratio (2 ml in each testicle) should provide the correct dosage for effective castration. I was wondering if boiling the CACL prior to mixing it with the Everclear would add an extra measure of safety or would the Everclear in itself kill just about any microbes, impurities floating about in the CACL? However, since sodium chloride is used to dry food stuffs and essentially acts as a desiccant, should it not already be pretty much sterile? Furthermore, the CACL I purchased is used in cheese making so by extension would it not be comestible (i.e. sterile)? Just tossing out some ideas for fodder :O)

By the way, my 3rd injection of 1.5 ml of everclear per testicle will be this Thursday (I am spacing injections a week apart) and was tempted to include a small amount of CACL as a test run. However, I might wait until round # 4 and do a bit more research. Decisions, decisions!

Posted: **Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:21 pm**

Something (imported) wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:28 pm Upon closer inspection, something seems to be happening. They're slightly smaller, just slightly, but they're misshaping... they're flattening out... it's hard to describe what I mean, but they weren't like this before.

Actually the other guy who injected just before you indicated something similar is happening to him, he called it deflating..they are sort of deflating from the inside, sort of like a slightly flat ball. I guess that makes sense, they wouldn't necessarily shrink everywhere, but rrather shrink according to where the dose was strongest, which would be inside where the bulk of the ccalcium chloride was deposited fduring the injection.

Posted: **Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:20 am**

I tried to boil a 33% of CaCl2 this weekend, and i was careful to no breath the steam because can irritate the throat and lungs. I boiled it for 20 minutes up to 110 ºC and then the liquid was evaporated totally. I did a second try, this time for 10 minutes and then i let it to cool a bit and i use a syringe to insert the CaCl2 in an polyethylen sterilized bottle, but was impossible because i think the Ca was crystallized in a diminutive particles.

So i decided to wait at least 6 hours and see again the result of the CaCl that i putted in the bottle directly from the dipper (because i couldn't althrough the syringe). I knew that this proccess was no sterile and i didn't the intention of use it, but i want to see the result of the "experiment".

The CaCl2 was like jelly (and 48 hours later it's in the same state).

Summarizing, my personal conclusion is that is not possible to boil it, is better to mix it with everclear or so similar. I know to read my posts is a punishment, sorry

Posted: **Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:06 am**

SilviaCor (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:20 am I tried to boil a 33% of CaCl2 this weekend, and i was careful to no breath the steam because can irritate the throat and lungs. I boiled it for 20 minutes up to 110 ºC and then the liquid was evaporated totally. I did a second try, this time for 10 minutes and then i let it to cool a bit and i use a syringe to insert the CaCl2 in an polyethylen sterilized bottle, but was impossible because i think the Ca was crystallized in a diminutive particles.

So i decided to wait at least 6 hours and see again the result of the CaCl that i putted in the bottle directly from the dipper (because i couldn't althrough the syringe). I knew that this proccess was no sterile and i didn't the intention of use it, but i want to see the result of the "experiment".

The CaCl2 was like jelly (and 48 hours later it's in the same state).

Summarizing, my personal conclusion is that is not possible to boil it, is better to mix it with everclear or so similar. I know to read my posts is a punishment, sorry

Thanks for posting your experiment on boiling. I suspected the same thing. The problem with actual boiling is that the water portion will evaporate causing the concentration to go up. The 33% is already a high concentration and so by boiling off the solvent you're going to supersaturate the solution (i.e. more crystals dissolved than should naturally dissolve).

I think to do the boiling method it has to be during creation of the initial concentration. I.e. you need to get sterile water, boil it, then while it is boiling add the proper amount of scientific grade crystal CaCl to get the desired concentration. You could wash the crystals with alcohol first if you're paranoid.

Posted: **Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:47 am**

It is a pleasure to help to this community, thanks to you.

Posted: **Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:52 pm**

SilviaCor (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:47 am It is a pleasure to help to this community, thanks to you.

Thanks for your input and for posting your experiment results SilviaCor. Again, process of elimination should render an eventual solution (pun intended) without taking too many risks.

I still feel that by mixing 30-33% food grade liquid CACL (in the absence of medical grade) with Everclear will result in a sterile solution. I just can't imagine anything living for very long in a mixture of 95% alcohol. Perhaps a 3 to 1 mixture (1.5 ml of CACL to .5 ml of Everclear) that sits for a couple of hours prior to injecting would be best? I do have access to a lab so perhaps I could put it under a microscope to check for any impurities,etc. Just a thought.

Posted: **Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:12 pm**

Hi BrookeTS, the problem is if you mix the 30-33% of calcium chloride with 95% etanol, then the result will be less cantity of one component. For example, i have the idea to mix Balkan 88% with 33% of calcium chloride (the mixed is done in fact xD), and the mix is 25% of vodka and 75% of CaCl2. Then, because i have read here and in other places that the calcium chloride have results if you use at least a 20%, i have used more percentage in the mix to obtain the following: 25% more or less of CaCl2, 22% of vodka (because rising the cantity of CaCl2 the vodka is lower) and the rest, i mean, the 53% is water.

I don't know if i have explained fine, but if you use for example, 95% Everclear, mixing it with a CaCl2 at least 20%, you will have a mix with around 25% or so of alcohol.

Perhaps i am wrong, but i think SplitDik said some similar before (i am not sure).

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