It's been just over two weeks since my orchiectomy (yay, they're gone!!) and I've experienced absolutely no symptoms of missing T from my metabolism. Part of that is the Estrogen I take daily, but I was concerned they were still putting out some amount of T that my body would miss after removal. It may require another week or more to be absolutely certain, but I'd say that seven injections of 190 proof Everclear did EXACTLY what I intended them to do; they seriously lowered my T to castrate levels.

Be safe, be patient, and always follow sterile procedures. You'll get there.

Caith721 (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2011 3:26 am It's been just over two weeks since my orchiectomy (yay, they're gone!!) and I've experienced absolutely no symptoms of missing T from my metabolism. It may require another week or more to be absolutely certain, but I'd say that seven injections of 190 proof Everclear did EXACTLY what I intended them to do; they seriously lowered my T to castrate levels.

Wow, time flies. It seems like only yesterday that you had your operation. My four injections of 100 proof Vodka and six of 190 proof Everclear

unencumbered (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:08 pm permanently lowered my libido significantly.

From what I've read, only an orchiectomy would lower it more.

I was going to wait until July, but in observance of NY passing the equal rights bill for marriage I decided to celebrate and gave my right nut a cocktail. It was thirsty. It accepted a full 3cc of Everclear. Surprised me. This morning it is very very large and heavy, a very odd sight and feeling to it's normal shrunken state. When touched it is sore, but not painful. When left alone there is no feeling of soreness. So basically it has a little hangover, but nothing else. I did the usual method of inserting the needle all the way in lenghthwise, and then as the needle is removed pushed the plunger; that way the alcohol is dispersed throughout the inside instead of just pooling up in one spot. I guess that is why it accepted a full 3cc. Usually I do both of them at the same time, but after this one taking the full 3cc I decided to see how it went and will do the other one at a later date. Even if this does not result in the eventual removal of both of them, for me, it is better than nuttin. Never did like surgery anyway. An empty sac would be preferable, but this is working out well. As always, do not assume that my success will be your success; there is always the potential for undesirable consequences so don't "monkey hear, monkey do", just because of what I have done and the results I have obtained.

raynestorm (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:04 pm For some of us though this is a blind alley.

I'm a MtF and doctors here in WY don't understand us just yet so they refuse to prescribe a thing. They're to afraid of being sued.

I've been living

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raynestorm (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:04 pm time=1295590620]
as a woman for 2 years now and

can get letters if they would help, but they don't.

Can I get them on the internet, yes - is THAT really safe? No. Without a doctor to recommend dosage and monitor you, you're still playing with your life via liver and/or kidney failure.

I could have them surgerically removed - if I could get someone to return my calls. This procedure can be done by any qualified urologist, but again, people are so afraid of being sued that they don't want to help. The ones willing to help are:

Marci Bowers - now in San Mateo, CA.

Christine McGinn - around Philly, PA.

Thailand

Dr. Reed in Miami. Location, location, location. This guy was smart enough to set up a TG clinic in SOUTH BEACH! It's akin to building a gas station on top of an oil well.

Dr. Metzger in Arizona.

Marci and Christine need to be ashamed of themselves, by the way. They're TG and instead of making it easier on those of us that still are, they have the highest rates in the country. Way to gouge your fellow TG's, girls. Stay classy.

While the rest are better with regard to price, it's still more than most of us can afford.

Drugs - IF you can get them - are not permenant.

In my case as a MtF, the body part in question isn't just harming from the inside, it's from the outside too. Just seeing them dangling there daily is enough to cause more mental trauma than I can describe.

But here's the kicker....as hard as it is for me, it's harder for the MtE (Male to Eunuch). The mental health community accepts - albeit begrudginly - us MtF's but they can't understand why a man would want his testicles gone for any other reason.

"What do you mean you just want them gone?!"

So, due to lack of help from the outside we're left to our own devices.

All of which carries with it risk.

Banding - the amount of time needed to cut off circulation and kill the testicles will also cause gangrene.

Burizzo - the cords needed to be crushed are more elastic in humans than in cattle, hence it probably wont work AND you could cause a hemmorage then die of internal bleeding.

Cutting - The viens in that part of the body are not like normal viens that will clamp down and help blood clot. These wont. You could bleed out very quickly, even if you use a turniquet.

Alcohol injections. Dangerous? Yes. But among the options discussed so far it's the safest. Very little, if any blood, so long as you don't hit a vien. Pain? Very little as long as you've allowed for swelling to go down between injections. Price? Dirt cheap. I've got my needles and everclear for $35. Permenant? Yes but it takes a while. Some are done in as little as 5 injections each and others take longer.

As dangerous as it is, it's still the safest option for those whose only help from the medical community comes at a cost of to much money or can't find a doctor willing to help at all.

Someone after you said that many will add, "Don't do what I did". Some may. I simply tell others that if they're going to use alcohol injections, please do your homework. Learn all you can about what you're doing, why it works, and what could go wrong. Take things slowly. I can't tell others not to do it because that would be hypocritical of me. I've done 3 sets of injections now and the sexual urges are going away. I'm going to keep doing them until the testicles are small, round and hard. I know it's a risk but I feel great.

Why?

Because I'm DOING SOMETHING about my problem. No one else wants to help me - or wants me to pay through the nose for it - and this is something I'm doing to alleviate the anxiety.

Many here have said that these injections are addticive. They are. It's not from a 'high' that you get. It's from having a problem that overwhelms you for so long - causes you so much grief that it's destroying your life - and now you get to take steps to bring relief. After each injection there is some swelling and pain.

But there is also a sense of relief....your sex drive has lowered and you know that with each subsequent injection it's only going to get better.

Is there a risk, of course. But I accept that risk because I know that the outcome is that my testicles will be dead, my sex drive lowered if not gone all together, that part of my body will be smaller - which will make me as a MtF feel better about myself - I'll be more loving and devoted toward my wife, I'll be calmer and more focused. I can feel that after each injection.

Could I die? Yes, but the risk of that is minimal given where we're injecting. But even so, I'd rather die than live with these male traits any longer.

And truth be told, if I hadn't stumbled across the alcohol injection method, I would have tried banding with two turniquets, then cutti
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ng between them.

These injections probably saved my life.

So eloquently put, Raynestorm. I agree that drastic times call for drastic measures. Had I not found out about this method of castration, I'd still be lost. These testicles may have won the battle, but they haven't won the war.

:dong:

Somehow I missed Raynestorm's post. Thanks for the repost. Well said. Sometimes one must just, well, take their own balls by the balls, and shoot them, up, with alcohol, and put yourself out of the misery that they are causing, and to hell with the psych and medical "professionals" who have no clue about the emotional grief that they cause. Just getting in your car and driving on the roads is dangerous. Injecting is dangerous. Being cautious and careful won't eliminate all risk. One must choose, to live in emotional hell, or try for a resolution. A tough and risky choice. Each to their own. For those who are addicted to sex, they will never understand what a relief it is to be free of the little demons. Life without sex is, well, living. Nature really messed up giving humans this constant craving for sex sex sex, over and over and over. Sure, reproduction is vital to survival of the species, but enough already. The planet is overpopulated, and their are so many more fun and interesting and creative and intellectual things to do than down and dirty sex. Anone who is addicted to and obsessed by sex, when castrated, may be so mentally distressed they don't take the time to experience the freedom of being without a sex drive. But it is a freedom. There is so much more to life than sex. It is really tough to get rid of testosterone. But worth the effort. Those who won't even consider trying out a sex free life will never understand the positive consequences that can be had. Their loss.

"...

Marcy Thomas (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2011 4:46 am drastic times call for drastic measures.

" That has been a consistent aspect of my experience throughout nearly the whole of my life.

What I did to effectively avoid what I deemed suicide by neglect was drastic, so drastic that I always adapt some small, and essentially insignificant details to prevent, as best I can, identifying any physician who has helped me who asked to not be identified, which, for what it is worth, (no "adaptation" here) was and remains most of them.

Suicide by neglect? Neglecting unbearable distress which results from brain image of body and body disparity can take people all the way to neglecting what is necessary to remain alive. I know that, from within, more vividly than words may ever become able to tell. Perhaps it has been a random chance event that I was given a form of autism which has always ruled out my internalizing aspects of society which would have made me subservient to what "most people think and/or believe." The pity is that, except as a form of unwitting blunder of knowledge and understanding (is "delusion" too strong a word?) I find no evidence that there is any actual "most people" who have the beliefs commonly attributed to "most people."

I remain a resolute advocate for changing society so people who, in ways similar to me, find unacceptable difficulties with the way their brain experiences the rest of their body, have access to safe, well-considered resolution of what is of unacceptable difficulties. Until such time, I will neither endorse alcohol injections nor will I fault any person who is unable to find an achievable process which is any less biologically inappropriate. Much of what I encounter that is usefully named "society" I have consistently experienced as biologically inappropriate -- and no less inappropriate in terms of the life experiences of anyone else than for me.

I rejected what I thought would become "suicide by groupthink." To achieve that suicide rejection, I had to reject the social norms which, if not rejected, would have effectively condemned me to suicide by groupthink.

Suicide by groupthink is what I find happened to my brother, whose physicians rejected my understanding of risk and risk alternatives. My brother never intended to die from cancer as he did; yet he was unable to put aside enough of "society's hatred of variety" to avoid dying from cancer.

Suppose the meaning of "cancer" can be generalized to include not only cells not dying (apoptosis and such) in ways that enable an organism to stay alive, but also beliefs which comparably threaten a person's actual viability? Can there be cancer of thinking, cancer of beliefs, cancer of groupthink, and such "cancers" be of no less importance than colon cancer and no less a threat to being alive?

I reject any and every belief which comes my way that would lead me to disrespect the life I am able to live as I have been, and am, able to live it. In equal measure, I reject any and every belief which comes my that would lead me to disrespect the life anyone else is actually able to live.

To me, life is real; beliefs about life may be unreal. When and if I find myself encountering a choice between what I find to be real and what I find to be unreal, I make an all-out effort to go with what I find to be real. Sometimes I subsequently find I got the real/unreal classification wrong; that is okay with me because I find such choices (which help me understand human error better) to be part of what is real.

Words may be of an interesting phenomenon, particularly to someone who is autistic and, being autistic, never experiences thought in either the form of words or pictures. Dr. Temple Grandin wrote a book, "Thinking in Pictures" about not being able to "think in words." As an aspect of the way I am autistic, I never got as far as thinking in pictures. Words are, to me, themselves perfectly meaningless, yet may be used to symbolize meaning(s).

I observe, perusing a dictionary, that "drastic" may mean "radical" and that "radical" may mean "coming from a basic source."

With those meanings in mind:

As much as I am able, I choose to "thrive drastically" as a real person and as a completely valid member of human society, as the person I really am; to accomplish that, I need to reject whatever would prevent my so doing.

There is that signature of our resident agent provocateur, aka, Jesus, to wit, "Nature loves variety. Unfortunately, society hates it." I have another way of framing that:

To me, "Nature is diversity, including the diversity of sincerely believing otherwise."

nullorchis (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2011 5:02 am Somehow I missed Raynestorm's post. Thanks for the repost. Well said. Sometimes one must just, well, take their own balls by the balls, and shoot them, up, with alcohol, and put yourself out of the misery that they are causing, and to hell with the psych and medical "professionals" who have no clue about the emotional grief that they cause. Just getting in your car and driving on the roads is dangerous. Injecting is dangerous. Being cautious and careful won't eliminate all risk. One must choose, to live in emotional hell, or try for a resolution. A tough and risky choice. Each to their own. For those who are addicted to sex, they will never understand what a relief it is to be free of the little demons. Life without sex is, well, living. Nature really messed up giving humans this constant craving for sex sex sex, over and over and over. Sure, reproduction is vital to survival of the species, but enough already. The planet is overpopulated, and their are so many more fun and interesting and creative and intellectual things to do than down and dirty sex. Anone who is addicted to and obsessed by sex, when castrated, may be so mentally distressed they don't take the time to experience the freedom of being without a sex drive. But it is a freedom. There is so much more to life than sex. It is really tough to get rid of testosterone. But worth the effort. Those who won't even consider trying out a sex free life will never understand the positive consequences that can be had. Their loss.

You're welcome!

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Marcy Thomas (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2011 7:12 am 09027560]
drastic times call for drastic measures.

" That has been a consistent aspect of my experience throughout nearly the whole of my life.

What I did to effectively avoid what I deemed suicide by neglect was drastic, so drastic that I always adapt some small, and essentially insignificant details to prevent, as best I can, identifying any physician who has helped me who asked to not be identified, which, for what it is worth, (no "adaptation" here) was and remains most of them.

Suicide by neglect? Neglecting unbearable distress which results from brain image of body and body disparity can take people all the way to neglecting what is necessary to remain alive. I know that, from within, more vividly than words may ever become able to tell. Perhaps it has been a random chance event that I was given a form of autism which has always ruled out my internalizing aspects of society which would have made me subservient to what "most people think and/or believe." The pity is that, except as a form of unwitting blunder of knowledge and understanding (is "delusion" too strong a word?) I find no evidence that there is any actual "most people" who have the beliefs commonly attributed to "most people."

I remain a resolute advocate for changing society so people who, in ways similar to me, find unacceptable difficulties with the way their brain experiences the rest of their body, have access to safe, well-considered resolution of what is of unacceptable difficulties. Until such time, I will neither endorse alcohol injections nor will I fault any person who is unable to find an achievable process which is any less biologically inappropriate. Much of what I encounter that is usefully named "society" I have consistently experienced as biologically inappropriate -- and no less inappropriate in terms of the life experiences of anyone else than for me.

I rejected what I thought would become "suicide by groupthink." To achieve that suicide rejection, I had to reject the social norms which, if not rejected, would have effectively condemned me to suicide by groupthink.

Suicide by groupthink is what I find happened to my brother, whose physicians rejected my understanding of risk and risk alternatives. My brother never intended to die from cancer as he did; yet he was unable to put aside enough of "society's hatred of variety" to avoid dying from cancer.

Suppose the meaning of "cancer" can be generalized to include not only cells not dying (apoptosis and such) in ways that enable an organism to stay alive, but also beliefs which comparably threaten a person's actual viability? Can there be cancer of thinking, cancer of beliefs, cancer of groupthink, and such "cancers" be of no less importance than colon cancer and no less a threat to being alive?

I reject any and every belief which comes my way that would lead me to disrespect the life I am able to live as I have been, and am, able to live it. In equal measure, I reject any and every belief which comes my that would lead me to disrespect the life anyone else is actually able to live.

To me, life is real; beliefs about life may be unreal. When and if I find myself encountering a choice between what I find to be real and what I find to be unreal, I make an all-out effort to go with what I find to be real. Sometimes I subsequently find I got the real/unreal classification wrong; that is okay with me because I find such choices (which help me understand human error better) to be part of what is real.

Words may be of an interesting phenomenon, particularly to someone who is autistic and, being autistic, never experiences thought in either the form of words or pictures. Dr. Temple Grandin wrote a book, "Thinking in Pictures" about not being able to "think in words." As an aspect of the way I am autistic, I never got as far as thinking in pictures. Words are, to me, themselves perfectly meaningless, yet may be used to symbolize meaning(s).

I observe, perusing a dictionary, that "drastic" may mean "radical" and that "radical" may mean "coming from a basic source."

With those meanings in mind:

As much as I am able, I choose to "thrive drastically" as a real person and as a completely valid member of human society, as the person I really am; to accomplish that, I need to reject whatever would prevent my so doing.

There is that signature of our resident agent provocateur, aka, Jesus, to wit, "Nature loves variety. Unfortunately, society hates it." I have another way of framing that:

To me, "Nature is diversity,
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including the diversity of sincerely believing otherwise."

Such touching content!:) Did you know I was diagnosed with Autism too?:D

Why is it so hard for soceity to understand the motives of others? Hell most do not even understand thier own motives. I am doing this because I know what is right for me. Who better than myself to form this opinion? I did my reasearch I did not go into this lightly, for me and my situation this is the only choice. I respect to the utmost degree those who have gone before me and I value your opinions and beliefs. It is sad that in an inteligent society rather than find support and understanding we are labeled as abnormal or mentally ill simply becuase we do not conform to the rest of those around us. I remember a quote from long ago I believe I first heard it of all places on Star Trek it goes something like this " In an insane world the sane man often times appears insane" so are we in an insane world or are we, those who chose to be different, are we insane?

The reasons for my need and desire to become a euncuh are many and for the most part private. I do have a desire to become female, but there is much more to it than that. Some may understand, others not so much. I do know I appreciate the input and knowledge shared here.

AtlantaJim

If I would not have found the EA and especially this Thread, I would still be living a hellish unsafe life. I was about to do whatever I had to do to get castrated that I was worried about my own safety. I found this Thread and these wonderful EA members that share their experiences with injections and becoming a eunuch and my life has changed sooooo much and all for the better. I have done 12 sets of 1cc 190 proof everclear in each testicle. I started in the middle of March and progress was slow. I got frustrated...I started to question the people here and this method along with my own sanity...but I stuck with it. It took time but I think I am very very close to being done and living my new life without the evil T. I feel some physical side effects such as getting tired easily and my arm strength is 1/2 of what it was but I did not ever want to remain as strong as a man...I feel so good on the inside, I am calm, quiet, and I listen to others..my skin is soft as is my once large penis, and that is so relieving. I am finally getting to experience my Real life, the one I have always wanted..It does work but you MUST read every post in this thread FIRST..and you NEED to be patient, but it will be very well worth it if you must do this yourself...I am soo happy!! I love you all!