A-1 (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:35 am According to THIS (http://www.montereyherald.com/health/ci_9585901) YANKEE CLIPPER has an ally in principle to his claim.

Interesting. Thanks.

According to THIS,

A-1 (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:35 am (http://www.montereyherald.com/health/ci_9585901) YANKEE CLIPPER has an ally in principle to his claim.

Thanks you, A-1.

From that article:

The American Academy of Pediatricians recommends children between the ages of 13 and 18 be involved in determining their medical care. Parents and physicians should not exclude adolescents from decision-making without justifiable reasons.

I Just read the referenced article, and A-1 has found a piece that covers the type of issue that all too often occur with young people. The doctors won't work with the minor, even to the point of the unwillingness in setting up an appointment. The doctors wait until the parents request an appointment, the parents don't take the time to pay attention to the child, unless the child collapses from whatever underling medical conditions are present. Anything less than that and they are too self-absorbed in their own lives to pay enough attention to the needs of their children.

In this young man's case, these are not symptoms that should be so lightly ignored. Any one of them alone should be reviewed by a doctor, more so when all of theses are present.

I hate the idea of doctors or teachers talking about a child either if they are not present, or that the child might have input (if present) into their own health or educational considerations and requirements. This doesn't mean the child is absolutely (probably not far off though) correct, but to act as if the child does have not any thinking capabilities ("talking over their head" metaphorically) when it is that child's health or educational needs that are at issue is incomprehensible.

Does it make sense to have the parents make all the health decision for a child until their are 18, with no input from the child, and suddenly leave the 18 year-old to start working with health processionals independently?

I was lucky, when I hit 12 (by then puberty was well started, and even if not, back then, he would not have believed that I wanted to castrated), I could set up my own appointments, and then my doctor would consult with my parents about any issues that came during the appointment. They would then follow up on his recommendations.

A physical is often is usually required for school sports activities, so that is often a good time to have these issues addressed. Also, whatever happened to the traditional "annual physical?"

The one limitation with the above is that, for transsexual children, or children that never want to progress through puberty, is that by 13 puberty can be well started by then.

Again, A-1, Thank you for that reference.

plix (imported) wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:01 pm I've always wondered about this whole maturity thing. Maturity is pretty subjective, I think. There are quite a few choices people of all ages make that a lot of people feel would suggest immaturity, but there are others who see no problems with these choices. So how do we determine what makes a person deserve to be considered mature?

I am not so sure we can judge maturity based on a few actions here and there. Everyone makes stupid choices every once in a while. It doesn't matter how old or mature you are.

Rather, I feel in order to truly judge a person's level of maturity, you need to look at their overall character.

I will agree with you that many young people are immature. I come across college age students daily who are painfully immature, and this immaturity is probably a large part of why I have never associated much with people my own age.

What I cannot agree with is this belief most people have that age automaically equals maturity. I have known many adults in my lifetime who I would consider quite immature, and I have known many children who I felt were more mature than most adults. While age typically equals more life experience, even life experience does not equal maturity. One has to learn from that life experience and grow as a person because of it.

Speaking of me, I haven't hit that magical developmental milestone of age 25 yet, so I am not yet mature. Exactly on my 25th birthday, my brain will finish maturing, and on that day I can instantly expect a rush of maturity to hit me. I am looking forward to it.

You dont fully mature until age 25 as a male?

I do not know a lot about the maturity rate of the brain and body following puberty.

Any information would be helpful.

plix (imported) wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:01 pm I've always wondered about this whole maturity thing. Maturity is pretty subjective, I think. There are quite a few choices people of all ages make that a lot of people feel would suggest immaturity, but there are others who see no problems with these choices. So how do we determine what makes a person deserve to be considered mature?

I am not so sure we can judge maturity based on a few actions here and there. Everyone makes stupid choices every once in a while. It doesn't matter how old or mature you are.

Rather, I feel in order to truly judge a person's level of maturity, you need to look at their overall character.

I will agree with you that many young people are immature. I come across college age students daily who are painfully immature, and this immaturity is probably a large part of why I have never associated much with people my own age.

What I cannot agree with is this belief most people have that age automaically equals maturity. I have known many adults in my lifetime who I would consider quite immature, and I have known many children who I felt were more mature than most adults. While age typically equals more life experience, even life experience does not equal maturity. One has to learn from that life experience and grow as a person because of it.

Speaking of me, I haven't hit that magical developmental milestone of age 25 yet, so I am not yet mature. Exactly on my 25th birthday, my brain will finish maturing, and on that day I can instantly expect a rush of maturity to hit me. I am looking forward to it.

I Fully agree with Plix about this maturation thing.

You can never evaluate ones maturation level just by asking age or looking at external appeareance.

Some people learn until the end of their lives, some loose ability to learn at some age, some never develope enough to make normal everyday decisions that are good for themselves.

Also, people mature different in different spheres of life. For example, geniuses like Einstein could be painfully immature in socializing with other people. Or politicians who could give you a good overall impression at first contact could be totally incompetent in areas they claim to be proffessionals.

We all are different my friends!

But there is a rational reason to set age limits. At some point of life people must start making decisions on their own. Nobody else can do that. Be it good or bad decisions, decisions must be made.

It would be extremely costly for society if some authority start to evaluate people maturity in order to give them various rights an responsbilities. It is reasonable only in very special cases.

Why youths are sometimes so immature and unable to be responsible for their acts because our society do not want to give rights to them. Rights and responsibility are things that can not be separated.

In primitive societies there are coming of age rites, that stresses to youth that they will gain their rights only after they have gone through some tests physical and mental. If you don't pass the tests you are not accepted as adult. Very simple. This is just an example of rights and responsiblility connection. In our society things are much more complex. And you can not evaluate people that simple. One can be mature enough to start his/her own business but can not be enough mature to start his or her own family.

Etc.

With castration of boys and adolescents I think it is not wise to set certain age limits. Every case must be studied separately. Whether to castrate immediately, delay puberty or decline the procedure. Decision must be well informed and respected. Especially in our society, where eunuchs have no status, place, role or acceptance we have to be rather conservative.

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I think I have come upon this discussion a bit late, but this is what I want to say.

When I was a boy, as young as 8, due to the upbringing I had , I wanted to be castrated. However, as Catholicism was dominant as well as abuse present , I never got the chance to go ahead with it. However, stress that I went through doesn't hold water in relation to the heavier-hitting reasons males may have for making such a decision. I don't wish to go into the details of my upbringing as they are still somewhat traumatic for me as well there is the Latin proverb, "Never speak ill of the dead." It is true that, if I had gone through with the procedure, I would never have had these three daughters of mine.

I suppose the age of consent for such a procedure should be 21. In my state, one has the right to drink by then; and this decision should be left to a guy with a little more (hopefully) maturity than 18. Then again, I have seen 21-year-olds act like adolescents, so, maturity should be a factor and counseling should be mandatory.

It is also true, however, what was previously posted, "

YankeeClipper (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2005 5:40 pm a man can never return to being a boy.

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for letting me speak my mind.

Puberty was rough for me. Prior to puberty I would have said no way is anything gettin' cut off or removed on me. Now that I look back on it, knowing what I know now, I probably would've welcomed the idea of not having to even deal with the troubles that puberty caused me. And as it has been said multiple times in this thread, that if a boy wants to go through puberty even it castrated with HRT they can.

Knowing what I know now I wish it had been an option to have a few quick snips and "opt out" of puberty:-\

I loved being a child, but I could never wait to get broad sholders, more muscles and a big dick... Though to get there, I had to endure puberty just like everyone else, and that has been the worst part of my life. Don't think I would have wanted to have my testicles removed though as I have always wanted to "live forever" by having children of my own and continue the family.

Fascinating thread. I have since pre puberty dreamed about castration every day. I hated puberty and wished I could remain prepubescent. I however loved masturbation too much to proceed with it. If one day I see the ability to afford HRT I will proceed with castration.

With the developments in stem cell research I wonder what the chances are of re growing testicles that have been removed or even growing ones that never developed properly? That would be very advantageous in reinforcing the notion of castrating prepubescent boys.

Some questions I would like answered please;

1: If prosthetic erectile implants were used in a person after ubescent castration. Would the erections allow the same level of nerve stimulation as a normal erection in a non castrated person. Or is there some other factor that inhibits the nerve signal from sending the same sort of pleasure that can result in normal masturbation?

2: Replanting testicles. Why not. If the vas deferens can be reconnected why not a complete testicle from an organ donor?

castr8fun (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:16 pm Fascinating thread. I have since pre puberty dreamed about castration every day. I hated puberty and wished I could remain prepubescent. I however loved masturbation too much to proceed with it. If one day I see the ability to afford HRT I will proceed with castration.

With the developments in stem cell research I wonder what the chances are of re growing testicles that have been removed or even growing ones that never developed properly? That would be very advantageous in reinforcing the notion of castrating prepubescent boys.

Some questions I would like answered please;

1: If prosthetic erectile implants were used in a person after ubescent castration. Would the erections allow the same level of nerve stimulation as a normal erection in a non castrated person. Or is there some other factor that inhibits the nerve signal from sending the same sort of pleasure that can result in normal masturbation?

2: Replanting testicles. Why not. If the vas deferens can be reconnected why not a complete testicle from an organ donor?

1. yes the nerves would fire, but there is no telling if you would have any sex drive unless on T (I don't need much T for sex drive/erections), if you are on T then you shouldn't need the implants.

2. Organ donor? You would need to take immune modulating (lowering) drugs for life or risk rejection. With a low immune system you are more susceptible to infection and disease, not a good trade off.

hope this answers your questions