Hairless (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:26 pm River, I am familiar with the C-pap machine. It was tried on me after the surgery during my second sleep study. They wanted to see if all of my problems were solved by the surgery. My breathing is great without it and I think I would go nuts if I had to always wear one to sleep. I can't stand body hair, how could I stand that thing strapped to my face. Any way, thanks for the thought. Steve

You know when I got my C-pap I wondered the same thing, I think it took maybe 2 nights, now I put it on and I am asleep in a couple minutes and sleep sound all night. You dont even know its there.

River

There must be a strong wind today. This thread is drifting far off course. --FLO--

kristoff wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:28 pm I don't have any problem whatever with requiring a reasonable amount of evaluation and review prior to undergoing an elective castration, especially if at some point we expect to bring more mainstream GPs, urologists, and surgeons on board. This would help to eliminate fetishists, people who are unstable and unable to make such decisions soundly, and so on. It is already a general requirment to have some form of review, under the Benjamin Standards, should a pre-transexual woman desire castration as a part of the process, at least with mainstream practitioners.

Relative to an issue of costmetics or aesthetics as a reason for castration, in my opinion this is a completely valid reason. Please do some research on the topic of BIID (Body Integrity Identity Disorder), increasingly considered in the same vein as issues such as gender dysphoria, and one may well take a new approach in that realm. I would hope that eventually such considerations as a gender dysphoria, in the vein of Male-to-Eunuch gender identity, could be "mainstreamed," even under aegis of something like the Benjamin Standards.

I guess I don't know anything about BIID. Are we talking about folks who want arms and legs amputated? if so I have to be honest I think this is twilight zone stuff. I guess the Cosmetics I was thinking of are at least the type I was thinking about are a man with very small testicles that simply wanted new ones of a healthy size installed. *Like a boob job for men.

Elective Castrations in general is an interesting question. Again the question has to be why (I think) I didn't talk much about men who have out of control sex drive and want to molest children (or that type of thing) and want a way to remain a part of society. Would a typical doctor help this type of person? Frankly I hope so! And I don't say it out of meaness or one seeking revenge but just as a guy who has kids. And as I've had low T and didn't have interest in anything sexual I would tend to think that would work. Or not?

If a clergy member who had taken vows of celebacy wanted it to help him not be so wired sexually would that be ok? I'm not of that faith but I'm not sure I would want to be the one to tell him no. *Nor would I want to be the one to do the surgery but... Good question to ponder.

mrt (imported) wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:36 pm I guess I don't know anything about BIID. Are we talking about folks who want arms and legs amputated? if so I have to be honest I think this is twilight zone stuff. I guess the Cosmetics I was thinking of are at least the type I was thinking about are a man with very small testicles that simply wanted new ones of a healthy size installed. *Like a boob job for men.

Elective Castrations in general is an interesting question. Again the question has to be why (I think) I didn't talk much about men who have out of control sex drive and want to molest children (or that type of thing) and want a way to remain a part of society. Would a typical doctor help this type of person? Frankly I hope so! And I don't say it out of meaness or one seeking revenge but just as a guy who has kids. And as I've had low T and didn't have interest in anything sexual I would tend to think that would work. Or not?

If a clergy member who had taken vows of celebacy wanted it to help him not be so wired sexually would that be ok? I'm not of that faith but I'm not sure I would want to be the one to tell him no. *Nor would I want to be the one to do the surgery but... Good question to ponder.

Quite frankly, your notions and ideas, at least in part. are exactly what we are struggling AGAINST here. We are however veering way off topic, and we need to take this to another thread. I will start one later after I get back home, if someone else doesn't start one first. Meanwhile lets get this thread back on topic.

For further discussion of this off-topic topic, please go to this thread: BIID (http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=10036)

I was considering going to Kimmel a little while ago, but now this does not seam like such a good idea. I suppose I will just have to find another way.

I am definitely willing to admit that Kimmel may no longer be at the top of his game. It was only a matter of time before this happened, as it did with Spector.

However, the fact still remains that he is one of the few doctors who are willing to perform voluntary castrations and be open and public about doing so.

Someone else (thank you, mrt) has posted a thread

kristoff wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:33 pm (http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1003

7) containing the names of other doctors who are also publicly willing to perform voluntary castrations, albeit most likely with more preparations and groundwork involved. I would love to see that list grow to such proportions that everyone is able to find a local doctor who would be willing to discuss such a procedure with them.

However, the fact remains that the Eunuch Archive does not have the resources needed to individually approach every urologist, or even a small percentage of urologists, in hopes of bringing them around to our way of thinking.

There are those among us (I'm thinking of two, specifically) who are part of the academic community and are doing what they can to change the thinking of the establishment. That may take awhile, though. I don't know how much I, for example, could contribute to furthering this idea. Even if I could afford to travel or talk to individual doctors, I have no formal education to lend weight to my arguments. The fact that I am one of the administrators here would not do much to sway them.

The fact is, this is your life. If you want to make a change, don't wait for someone else to just hand the information to you, get proactive yourself. The person in the best position to find and convince a doctor to perform your castration is you. Take the references to studies that can be found here, do all the research you can both here and elsewhere, and take that information to a doctor and press them on it. If they don't agree, find another, and keep looking until you find one that will do it. Then if they agree, add their name to the list so that perhaps others near you can benefit.

We are a community here. And this is an issue that we all need to pitch in and help out on. One voice alone, no matter whose it is, does not carry so much weight as a thousand, or ten thousand all working together.

This is great to have more than one choice, I would like to see a thread or link that would list all of these doctors, there phone numbers, address, what they charge, etc. Maybe we can get this info together and our leader can do his magic.

River

In just over a month, it will be 3 years since I went to see Dr Kimmel. At the time I felt he was well qualified to perform his services. Yes, I did have a minor problem afterwards, but I atribute that to my own fault not following exact post-op care and not to his lack of skill.

I have followed many threads here and those who have gone to see him since I was there. It seems his skills have diminished over the years. People can and do change as they age and there will come a day when he can no longer be deemed qualified. Until that day comes, he is the only one who can do a legal castration without the need for refferals.

Christina (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:36 pm In just over a month, it will be 3 years since I went to see Dr Kimmel. At the time I felt he was well qualified to perform his services. Yes, I did have a minor problem afterwards, but I atribute that to my own fault not following exact post-op care and not to his lack of skill.

I have followed many threads here and those who have gone to see him since I was there. It seems his skills have diminished over the years. People can and do change as they age and there will come a day when he can no longer be deemed qualified. Until that day comes, he is the only one who can do a legal castration without the need for refferals.

I am torn because I don't want to upset people but do we want surgeons to lop off body parts without dotting some i's and crossing some t's?

mrt (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:10 pm I am torn because I don't want to upset people but do we want surgeons to lop off body parts without dotting some i's and crossing some t's?

Dr Kimmel was not my first choice of surgeons. Armed with a letter from my therapist I searched first for a local doctor for an orchiectomy with no luck. I also posed the question to each doctor I saw to see if they knew someone. With the references I had, I could have had any SRS surgeon do the surgery. At the time, money and location were the deciding factors in choosing Kimmel.