Hi everyone, so here is my day 8 update after second shot of cacl2. So far and fortunately I´ve noticed no sign of infection or anything else. On the day 3,4 and 5 testciles was 2.5 times its previous size. by the day 6 and today they´re 1.5 times , Sweelling seems to subside, a dull pain and discomfort sensation persist. They are really really hard as rocks. still in the same estradiol regime and no antiandrogens.

I posted in the past. I don't know if anyone remembers me. I've done 3 injections. First in fall 2013, with an injection of vodka. Second in January 2014, with an injection of calcium chloride. Third in March-ish 2014, with another

hopper44 (imported) wrote: Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:10 am injection of calcium chloride,

to be safe that they were dead. I got my levels tested, and they were low for a cis woman. It was 8. Literally 8. Great! By November 2014, it jumped to 73, which is then high for a cis woman.

I saw that the alcohol thread is gone. I was curious why.

Seeing my levels increase, I want to do it over. I figure with my already low levels, they won't bounce back quickly.

I wanted to try alcohol to kill them for good, because 2 injections hasn't been effective at keeping the low level I want. Has anyone else experienced their T levels increasing?

I'll be buying more calcium chloride today and I'll likely inject again on new years or so.

I do remember your posts If everclear or any alcohol upper 40% were not banned here, undoubtely I would use It instead of calcium. If you can get 90-96% alcohol I suggest you finish your balls with It and don´t try calcium again.Only consider cacl If such grade of alcohol is not available. Also If your testicles are tinny and hard probably would be very difficult to inject into them again. Another option is seek for surgery.

magickitty (imported) wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:28 pm I saw that the alcohol thread is gone. I was curious why.

Alcohol thread is still here:

http://forums.eunuch.org/showthread.php ... -Injection

May be it was moved in process, I do not remember.

magickitty (imported) wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:28 pm I posted in the past. I don't know if anyone remembers me. I've done 3 injections. First in fall 2013, with an injection of vodka. Second in January 2014, with an injection of calcium chloride. Third in March-ish 2014, with another

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magickitty (imported) wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:28 pm ime=1379272200]
injection of calcium chloride,

to be safe that they were dead. I got my levels tested, and they were low for a cis woman. It was 8. Literally 8. Great! By November 2014, it jumped to 73, which is then high for a cis woman.

I saw that the alcohol thread is gone. I was curious why.

Seeing my levels increase, I want to do it over. I figure with my already low levels, they won't bounce back quickly.

I wanted to try alcohol to kill them for good, because 2 injections hasn't been effective at keeping the low level I want. Has anyone else experienced their T levels increasing?

I'll be buying more calcium chlorid
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e today and I'll likely inject again on new years or so.

The alcohol thread has not been moved or removed.

your difference in T levels could be attributable to the adrenal glands, which also produce a small amount of T along with the testes. That kind of level would not be unheard of on this basis.

tom73612 (imported) wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:12 pm Thank you for your insight....

How does one develop a well reasoned argument when the prevailing conventional wisdom is counter to "our" desires. I had an appointment with a new endocrinologist (new to me) because my T3 and T4 levels have been out of whack for a few months. Any suggestions on how to begin this conversation is appreciated.

Hi again tom73612. I've re-read your question and my answer and I think my answer comes across as condescending. I didn't mean it to be and it's not - I didn't actually read your question properly (!!)

Re-reading your question again, my new answer is - I don't actually know. I still think the Hippocratic Oath is useful in understanding how any doctor might (or should?) behave... But that's all I've got I'm afraid! Sorry...

My 2 week update... I've been tracking testicle volume, Hopefully this graph shows up correctly?

Interesting they seem to have grown, shrunk, now returned to normal. Each testis has a pronounced hard lump on its side (not relating to the injection side). There's no visual change. The right one gives very pinchy referred pain to touch.

I'm feeling good, I've had occasional very mild sort of jabbing pain (less than 1/10) in either testicle over the past several days.

The results of my bloods came back, which were done 2.5 days post-injection. Everything was normal however my bound T and free T were both at the rock bottom of the normal male range. I've never had hormones tested before so that might be normal for me, or might be to do with the injection - there's not enough information to make that call.

Sam

SamKelley (imported) wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2015 8:07 am My 2 week update... I've been tracking testicle volume, Hopefully this graph shows up correctly?

Interesting they seem to have grown, shrunk, now returned to normal. Each testis has a pronounced hard lump on its side (not relating to the injection side). There's no visual change. The right one gives very pinchy referred pain to touch.

I'm feeling good, I've had occasional very mild sort of jabbing pain (less than 1/10) in either testicle over the past several days.

The results of my bloods came back, which were done 2.5 days post-injection. Everything was normal however my bound T and free T were both at the rock bottom of the normal male range. I've never had hormones tested before so that might be normal for me, or might be to do with the injection - there's not enough information to make that call.

Sam

The graph shows that your volume is a bit bigger than the start. that is odd. My best assumption would be that the swelling is returning in cycles. The results of your tests is more likely to be due to the injections and not to your real baseline levels.

Frida G Cavic (imported) wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:33 am The graph shows that your volume is a bit bigger than the start. that is odd. My best assumption would be that the swelling is returning in cycles. The results of your tests is more likely to be due to the injections and not to your real baseline levels.

Yes that makes sense, I agree. It's also possible my measuring method has become more accurate & more consistent now.

I'm interested to see if there's specific stages testes go through with the calchlorin process. I haven't yet found any articles on the cycle (in days) of a human leydig cell. If major testis shrinkage happens between 3~12 months with calchlorin, one would expect to find the mean persistence of a leydig cell to be somewhere in-between (?9 months)

So I'm doing my daily impatient check-up (as you do ) and though each testis has increased in volume by about 25%, they are both very squishy now, much more than normal. I'm sort of able to squish them "flatter" than normal. I'm going to wait a full 3 months before I consider another injection because I want to complete the experiment, hopefully to spare the pain of others who try this after me (repeat: I do not condone it!)

Both feel identical, are the same volume, and both have the same hard lump on the inside (facing each other). I guess that's a good sign!

We'll see what happens......