n3rf (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:31 pm One should give Dr Kimmel more credit and give him HONORS as well, because he has made himself available to the Eunuchs-to-be while no-one else dared to do it. Picking on him for floor and house cleaning is not fair. As long as the customer survives the surgery... Give him PRAISE - I say./n3rf

I don't know Dr. Kimmel so anything I say about him would be pure speculation, but I can question his motives.

First of all is what drives many people, money. I understand he sometimes does 3 castrations a day 3 times a week. If so, that's $18,000 a week. Let's say that half goes to overhead, that's still $9000/week. Pretty good motivator.

Second, does he really care about his patients well being the way that he should?

1. Does he make sure your motives for castration are good enough for the life changing operation that it is?

2. Does he keep his operating room as clean as possible?

3. Does he do the best job he can removing as much as he can so you don't have problems later?

4. Does he use a drain like he should when removing the scrotum also?

5. Does he give out pre-surgical instructions about meds to be avoided for the month before the surgery?

6. Does he provide adequate after care?

7. Has everyone that has been castrated by him had a problem free recovery?

I'm sure there are other questions that could be asked but If the answer to all of these questions is not yes, Dr, Kimmel is just a cutter with a license and does not deserve any praise or honors.

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:50 am Hairless, You said you breath better, it has been suggested that I have that surgery as well. On snoring, did your doctors ever suggest a C-pap machine to help you sleep? I have had one now for the last couple years and haven

't slept this well in years.

River, I am familiar with the C-pap machine. It was tried on me after the surgery during my second sleep study. They wanted to see if all of my problems were solved by the surgery. My breathing is great without it and I think I would go nuts if I had to always wear one to sleep. I can't stand body hair, how could I stand that thing strapped to my face. Any way, thanks for the thought. Steve

FYI: I am informed by an independent medical coder that the going fee for a bilateral orchidectomy (without scrotum removal) in my area is $3000 to $6000, assuming no general anesthesia and no overnight stay. Perhaps Dr. Kimmel's fees are a little behind the times. --FLO--

mrt (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:37 pm Marci Bowers in Colorado, Dr Reed in Florida, Dr ummm... Gilbert? not sure where. Dr Alter in California. All require "some" info / reason. I think most want a mental health screening so they won't be sued for sterilizing mental cases. Also probably a letter from your MD.

I think a large part of this is a "reason" for this procedure. Is is

1) Fetish? *Good luck. Any my personal opinion is Yeek! Get a different hobby.

2) Cosmetic? If your "set" is atrophed and already non functional this is a perfectly good reason to remove them according to several doctors that I've read about etc.

3) For pain? If you have pain issues you may have difficulty arguing your doctor out of removal. I know of several folks on this archive that are debating this with their urologists.

4) A step is sex reassignment? I don't know if its "mainstream" yet but I think its a lot closer and less "weird" then even a few years ago. You need some history and letters from therapy folks from what I've read. In my opinion it makes sense for cost issues and to avoid health risks with long term use of anti androgens. *Some of which are not FDA approved for example.

5) Sex Drive issues. I am very surprised how many doctors are "ok" with some form of "castration" be it Depo Provera or whatever to make peoples lives better. I spoke to Don who had a sex drive that was incompatable with his wife's lack of one. His MD was quite happy to help him stay castrated "correctly" on depo. So is surgical THAT different? All I can say is this is not for me but... As Don said people are different. Our solution might not work for you...

I don't have any problem whatever with requiring a reasonable amount of evaluation and review prior to undergoing an elective castration, especially if at some point we expect to bring more mainstream GPs, urologists, and surgeons on board. This would help to eliminate fetishists, people who are unstable and unable to make such decisions soundly, and so on. It is already a general requirment to have some form of review, under the Benjamin Standards, should a pre-transexual woman desire castration as a part of the process, at least with mainstream practitioners.

Relative to an issue of costmetics or aesthetics as a reason for castration, in my opinion this is a completely valid reason. Please do some research on the topic of BIID (Body Integrity Identity Disorder), increasingly considered in the same vein as issues such as gender dysphoria, and one may well take a new approach in that realm. I would hope that eventually such considerations as a gender dysphoria, in the vein of Male-to-Eunuch gender identity, could be "mainstreamed," even under aegis of something like the Benjamin Standards.

Uncle Flo (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:29 pm FYI: I am informed by an independent medical coder that the going fee for a bilateral orchidectomy (without scrotum removal) in my area is $3000 to $6000, assuming no general anesthesia and no overnight stay. Perhaps Dr. Kimmel's fees are a little behind the times. --FLO--

Flo, I don't know where you are at, but in Beverly Hills, Ca. it cost me about $7000 with scrotum removal and using a very proper surgical center with general anesthesia. I also had one of the best surgeons I could get for this type of surgery. Read #59 in this thread for more detail.

n3rf (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:31 pm One should give Dr Kimmel more credit and give him HONORS as well, because he has made himself available to the Eunuchs-to-be while no-one else dared to do it. Picking on him for flor and house cleaning is not fair. As long as the customer survives the surgery... Give him PRAISE - I say./n3rf

I do recall a conversation with Dr Kimmel about his services and where i had got his number. He informed me that he has never advertised his services nor did he ever plan to, he simply did his job, as he knew best by not turning patients away. When asked if he could help me, he replied he would be more than happy to.

I feel that Dr. Kimmel is truly an important man, he is blazing a trail, we can only hope that other doctors can fallow in his footsteps. When asked if i would have done the castration any other way, i say no. Because no other possible ways where available to me, i had spent a full year openly pushing doctors and therapists to help me fulfill my need for castration and only two had responded with open hearts and minds, one of witch is Mr. kimmel. I do feel he did what i had paid him to do, not because of the money, but because he knew that the castration was the right thing for me. As i have said before, no other option was available and he was the answer. I am very happy with the results. Never a day passes when i don’t wake up, now happy to be within my skin. This amazing feeling is something Mr. Kimmel gave to me, and god I am thankful for that.

Let’s just say that Kimmel had turned me away for whatever reason and I where left as many others are to suffer with inner turmoil. I would have wound up in the hospital with a botched self-mutilation. Sure it was a surprise to me that the office in which life-chaining surgery is preformed in could be unkempt. However my need for the help the Dr. was giving me was so strong that not even a fear of infection could pry me away from going threw with the surgery. Because of EA I knew full well that there could by many repercussions with going threw Mr. Kimmel, however I had made the decision myself, with no outside influence that I would fly to PE for the surgery.

Further more it is a fuc*ing slap to the face to have others out there question my decisions with such judgmental words. This archive has been for me nothing more than a conversation point, for making friends and expressing myself. Any one, who has the mental capacity to search long and hard for this site as I have, possesses the ability to clearly see that no one here indorses Dr. Murray H. Kimmel, MD. Let me clearly state for all to hear. There are other options out there for castration. And I will provide a few.

1) Search long and hard for a doctor or a therapist, who is understanding of your situation and will write you

Hairless (imported) wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:09 pm a letter of recommendation for

the surgery, the letter can be used to then find a surgeon who primarily treats SRS patients.

2) Suffer day in and day out for years in self disgust with you genitalia and resort to self removal{not recommended}

3) Ask your local veterinarian for assistance.

4) Find a cutter near you to butcher your groin.

The answer is finding the option that works for you, not criticizing others choices, or hating on people who cant hand you the easy answer. The solution for each person’s actions comes from within. Sure some external information might play a part in your finale decision, but this is strictly self served.

Never have I felt so upset as well with the fact that a mental illness is currently the only means by which most doctors will perform such surgery.

Again I find myself explaining that I have made the right decision, and that the right doc, was there to help me.

so much more i could say.

Z

Why would we honor someone so stupid as to pick up dirty instruments from the floor and continue using them in an open incision?

Use Kimmel at your own risk.

I've gone on about this in another thread and will stop here.

n3rf (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:31 pm One should give Dr Kimmel more credit and give him HONORS as well, because he has made himself available to the Eunuchs-to-be while no-one else dared to do it. Picking on him for flor and house cleaning is not fair. As long as the customer survives the surgery... Give him PRAISE - I say./n3rf

Once again I speak my mind and come off sounding desperate and otherwise ignorant.

On the contrary, HD, what you told us IS vitally important.

A LOT of us had no idea Kimmel had gone so far "south".

homptydumpty (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:52 pm Once again I speak my mind and come off sounding desperate and otherwise ignorant.

Your observations are quite welcome, valid, and important. Please continue to feel free to make and report them.