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Re: Calcium Chloride and Other Salt Injections for Castration
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 3:09 am
by YodaNell (imported)
Dave (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:28 pm
HF - Hydrogen Fluoride - is one of the worst acids you can be burnt with.
Please do not use it.
Do not buy it.
Do not let it get on your skin. Even touching it is dangerous.
It does not burn skin, it burns bone.
The Fluoride ion seeks out bone and not skin and causes terrible damage and pain.
Run away from it. Leave it be. Don't go near it.
Boy...am I glad I never tried it!!
Re: Calcium Chloride and Other Salt Injections for Castration
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:25 am
by Dave (imported)
Please never try it.
There were two chemicals that required special permissions of anyone at work no matter what degree, position or experiment they ran - - this meant special safety plans and extra training - one was Hydrogen Fluoride and the other was any Cyanide.
And we had people working on compressed hydrogen (explosive) and carbon monoxide (synthesis gas) in quantities large enough to blow the building into tiny pieces.
Rocket fuel is safer (mono-meths-hydrazine).
Re: Calcium Chloride and Other Salt Injections for Castration
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:00 am
by SplitDik (imported)
As I am the main "instigator" of these methods (I started this thread, as well as the lactic acid thread years ago), I based all my suggestions on veterinary studies. As far as I know there are only six chemicals that seem to have some effect while also being relatively safe:
1) Zinc Gluconate (Zeuterin). This actually is more of a sterilant and less of castration chemical. Generally it is known that zinc in the testicles will greatly reduce funcion. This acts based on the presence of the zinc and isn't primarily about causing damage.
2) Calcium Chloride. This is growing in popularity for veterinary purposes. It is highly dose dependent though, and longer term studies show that it needs to be mixed with high-proof ethanol otherwise function can return after a year. CaCl's action is desirable because it doesn't do much immediate tissue damage but rather prevents the normal regeneration of cells so they simply atrophy over time.
3) Super-tonic Sodicum Chloride. Basically this is just salt water with highest concentration of salt as possible. It works by causing immediate cell damage.
4) Gycerol. Basically this causes damage simply by creating pressure with high infusion.
5) Lactic acid. Basically this directly destroys the tissue.
6) High-proof ethanol. Basically this directly destroys the tissue. But it wasn't deemed effective for veterinary purpose because it usually requires many multiple injections.
All of the above can be used successfully. They are mostly unsafe when dosages are wrong. For example, there was a person who had a lot of trouble with lactic acid (basically the acid ate through his scrotum and into his pelvis, causing infection and multiple reparative operations) actually way overdosed it -- he was impatient and did three times the recommended volume.
I personally would not use any of the methods that create their effect through immediate tissue damage, as then the concerns about the chemical traveling outside the testicle become serious. I personally don't like just ethanol because there are so many people who have injected dozens of times without fully achieving castration; however, it is likely the safest (just make sure to only use ethanol and not other types of rubbing alcohol as they can kill you and make you blind). I think CaCl mixed with ethanol is the best because it is a one-time shot (if dosed correctly) that is proven to be consistently effective and further is fairly safe due to its slow action; however, unfortunately it is much more painful that the veterinary literature claims -- you can count on three days of extreme discomfort.
Anyway, please don't go making up new methods. There are plenty of options already studied for veterinary purposes, and you really don't know how bad certain chemicals can be. Don't risk your life or overall health for castration!
Re: Calcium Chloride and Other Salt Injections for Castration
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:24 pm
by micdavi24 (imported)
SplitDik (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:00 am
As I am the main "instigator" of these methods (I started this thread, as well as the lactic acid thread years ago), I based all my suggestions on veterinary studies. As far as I know there are only six chemicals that seem to have some effect while also being relatively safe:
1) Zinc Gluconate (Zeuterin). This actually is more of a sterilant and less of castration chemical. Generally it is known that zinc in the testicles will greatly reduce funcion. This acts based on the presence of the zinc and isn't primarily about causing damage.
2) Calcium Chloride. This is growing in popularity for veterinary purposes. It is highly dose dependent though, and longer term studies show that it needs to be mixed with high-proof ethanol otherwise function can return after a year. CaCl's action is desirable because it doesn't do much immediate tissue damage but rather prevents the normal regeneration of cells so they simply atrophy over time.
3) Super-tonic Sodicum Chloride. Basically this is just salt water with highest concentration of salt as possible. It works by causing immediate cell damage.
4) Gycerol. Basically this causes damage simply by creating pressure with high infusion.
5) Lactic acid. Basically this directly destroys the tissue.
6) High-proof ethanol. Basically this directly destroys the tissue. But it wasn't deemed effective for veterinary purpose because it usually requires many multiple injections.
All of the above can be used successfully. They are mostly unsafe when dosages are wrong. For example, there was a person who had a lot of trouble with lactic acid (basically the acid ate through his scrotum and into his pelvis, causing infection and multiple reparative operations) actually way overdosed it -- he was impatient and did three times the recommended volume.
I personally would not use any of the methods that create their effect through immediate tissue damage, as then the concerns about the chemical traveling outside the testicle become serious. I personally don't like just ethanol because there are so many people who have injected dozens of times without fully achieving castration; however, it is likely the safest (just make sure to only use ethanol and not other types of rubbing alcohol as they can kill you and make you blind). I think CaCl mixed with ethanol is the best because it is a one-time shot (if dosed correctly) that is proven to be consistently effective and further is fairly safe due to its slow action; however, unfortunately it is much more painful that the veterinary literature claims -- you can count on three days of extreme discomfort.
Anyway, please don't go making up new methods. There are plenty of options already studied for veterinary purposes, and you really don't know how bad certain chemicals can be. Don't risk your life or overall health for castration!
I would second what SplitDik has said here. I have successfully used the Calcium Chloride router to rid myself of my testicles and I will forever be very thankful to him for this thread. Lately I have noticed what seems to be a trend of new people on this thread who don't take the time like so many of us before have done and to read the entire thread before they go ahead and try it. They are questioning the established practice and methods used by those
and are trying to re-invent the wheel and edit the established methods.
To those of you who are doing this, don't be lazy, take the time to read the entire thread from start to finish and don't try to rewrite the process. It works very well if done as described here and also please don't go and try to use other chemicals. This method works as is evidenced by many of us who have used it to successfully damage our testicles to the point that they have been removed by competent surgeons in a safe medical environment. The only downside is swelling and pretty bad pain for a few days, but this is a small price to pay in order to get rid of the darned things.
Admittedly there are a few poor guys who have gone this route and have not been able to get a urologist to remove heir testicles, but this is not due to the method not working, rather it is due to the intransigence and unwillingness of their urologists to remove their testicles despite all indications that they need to go. Luckily my urologist was a good guy and took one look at my scans and then told me that they had to be removed even before I had time to ask him to remove them.
Re: Calcium Chloride and Other Salt Injections for Castration
Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:43 pm
by jcat (imported)
SplitDik (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:00 am
As I am the main "instigator" of these methods (I started this thread, as well as the lactic acid thread years ago), I based all my suggestions on veterinary studies. As far as I know there are only six chemicals that seem to have some effect while also being relatively safe:
1) Zinc Gluconate (Zeuterin). This actually is more of a sterilant and less of castration chemical. Generally it is known that zinc in the testicles will greatly reduce funcion. This acts based on the presence of the zinc and isn't primarily about causing damage.
2) Calcium Chloride. This is growing in popularity for veterinary purposes. It is highly dose dependent though, and longer term studies show that it needs to be mixed with high-proof ethanol otherwise function can return after a year. CaCl's action is desirable because it doesn't do much immediate tissue damage but rather prevents the normal regeneration of cells so they simply atrophy over time.
3) Super-tonic Sodicum Chloride. Basically this is just salt water with highest concentration of salt as possible. It works by causing immediate cell damage.
4) Gycerol. Basically this causes damage simply by creating pressure with high infusion.
5) Lactic acid. Basically this directly destroys the tissue.
6) High-proof ethanol. Basically this directly destroys the tissue. But it wasn't deemed effective for veterinary purpose because it usually requires many multiple injections.
All of the above can be used successfully. They are mostly unsafe when dosages are wrong. For example, there was a person who had a lot of trouble with lactic acid (basically the acid ate through his scrotum and into his pelvis, causing infection and multiple reparative operations) actually way overdosed it -- he was impatient and did three times the recommended volume.
I personally would not use any of the methods that create their effect through immediate tissue damage, as then the concerns about the chemical traveling outside the testicle become serious. I personally don't like just ethanol because there are so many people who have injected dozens of times without fully achieving castration; however, it is likely the safest (just make sure to only use ethanol and not other types of rubbing alcohol as they can kill you and make you blind). I think CaCl mixed with ethanol is the best because it is a one-time shot (if dosed correctly) that is proven to be consistently effective and further is fairly safe due to its slow action; however, unfortunately it is much more painful that the veterinary literature claims -- you can count on three days of extreme discomfort.
Anyway, please don't go making up new methods. There are plenty of options already studied for veterinary purposes, and you really don't know how bad certain chemicals can be. Don't risk your life or overall health for castration!
I was originally quite worried about the Calcium Chloride method and stuck to alcohol. However, following the early adopters and pioneers of this method at the beginning of this epic thread I came to realize that there is something in in it. More importantly I have not only injected my testicles and subsequently had them removed but also my spermatic cords and I can tell you that Calcium Chloride is very effective at causing ischemia and completely stopping blood flow and the outcome of this is to cause necrosis.
It is a substance tha
jcat (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:28 pm
t does not travel far from the injection site
as it rapidly eats tissue and seals veins and blood vessels. It is very effective if injected properly. Why try something different when this is tried and tested by some very brave people?
It is readily available in most places and so far we have not heard of any serious ill affects.
Re: Calcium Chloride and Other Salt Injections for Castration
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:23 am
by salvador (imported)
Congratulations for your experiment. I´m like down testosterone level.
Re: Calcium Chloride and Other Salt Injections for Castration
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:37 pm
by Frida G Cavic (imported)
Is It a good source of calcium chloride,? is 33% solution
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Re: Calcium Chloride and Other Salt Injections for Castration
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:53 pm
by Frida G Cavic (imported)
ok, seeing that the cost to order cacl2 from abroad is extremely high
, I contacted a friend who is a chemist, she works in her own lab doing clinical tests and said that she might to get cacl2 ordering from her supplier of reagents and materials. My worry is that being chemicall grade may be unsafer to prepare my solution mixed in vodka I read that many of those who have tried cacl2 have used food grade, and I don´t remember someone using chemical grade except someone called dodo . I hope this cacl2 be safer, because I´d have no choice. any thoughts?
Re: Calcium Chloride and Other Salt Injections for Castration
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:02 pm
by micdavi24 (imported)
As long as it is high purity laboratory grade, it will be fine.
Re: Calcium Chloride and Other Salt Injections for Castration
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 1:18 pm
by Frida G Cavic (imported)
My cacl2 reagent lab grade probably Will arrive on thursday, however I don´t plan inject soon. I need find the best day for doing , I mean , The day when I stay in home alone for longer. . I have some bills to pay, And I need to be "health" for work so The injection will have to delay a couple of weeks. Also I need buy needles 23G 1"(I could not find any thinner) diclofenac injectable and lidocaine.