magickitty (imported) wrote: Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:45 am Getting the angle right for the bottom up would be very difficult. Remember you'll have to have the testicle in one hand and the syringe/needle in the other, and then have to be able to push the plunger. I think as long as you hit the center, you'll be fine. I think I remember one person going lengthwise and pulling the needle so the calcium chloride was put into the testicle lengthwise instead of just in the center.

But I would stick to center. If you fidget too much and get calcium chloride outside of the testicle and into the scrotum, I don't think you'll have a good time.

Thanks - it sounds like a painful process but I have a relatively high tolerance to pain. Just wanting to make sure I go about it the right way.

Eunuch2Be (imported) wrote: Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:38 pm Since my appointment with Arnkoff is a ways out, I thought I may give this a shot and maybe get them off without making a trip. I've read through the majority of the thread and while it seems fairly straightforward, what is the best angle for injection? From the bottom up? From the top in the center? Just curious.

I took the route of loosely banding my testicles to push them forward and be more easily accessible and also to keep them in place more easily. I then went in from the top and injected into the middle of the testicle. The actual injection is not in the least painful. The sensation of the needle entering the testicle is a strange one, but as I said not painful at all. I used very fine needles (25G X 1") for the injections and also used a new syringe and needle for each injection. These were easily and cheaply available on EBay.

The pain kicks in after a few hours and can be pretty severe, coupled with swollen testicles. The injection left no visible bruising on my scrotum due to the fine needles that I used. I also had some pretty strong pain pills (Tramadol 150mg) which totally killed the pain resulting from the injection.

Oh and I have been very happily nutless since March 15th last year.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

micdavi24 (imported) wrote: Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:10 pm I took the route of loosely banding my testicles to push them forward and be more easily accessible and also to keep them in place more easily. I then went in from the top and injected into the middle of the testicle. The actual injection is not in the least painful. The sensation of the needle entering the testicle is a strange one, but as I said not painful at all. I used very fine needles (25G X 1") for the injections and also used a new syringe and needle for each injection. These were easily and cheaply available on EBay.

The pain kicks in after a few hours and can be pretty severe, coupled with swollen testicles. The injection left no visible bruising on my scrotum due to the fine needles that I used. I also had some pretty strong pain pills (Tramadol 150mg) which totally killed the pain resulting from the injection.

Oh and I have been very happily nutless since March 15th last year.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Good to know. If I could make it look like an infection, whatever and get them removed via a local doctor that would make life easier vs. traveling, additional cost, questions if I want HRT so the hot flashes are managed, etc. - just less questions this way. Why we can't just go get this done is beyond me, it's our own damn body and informed consent should be acceptable.

You can't prepare for the level of pain you're going to experience, regardless of injection placement/style.

From my description she's (doctor) like "that sounds pretty normal. Maybe it's from the hormone injections (estrogen).

Upon physical examination, she's like "yup that's not normal" and referred me to a local urologist. I have an appointment March 11th. The guy's old (60's) so I don't really know what to expect.

magickitty (imported) wrote: Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:03 pm You can't prepare for the level of pain you're going to experience, regardless of injection placement/style.

The pain and discomfort from my injections was adequately masked by the Tramadol that I was already taking before I did my injections, so I had a pretty easy ride of it, all I really felt was the discomfort from having a very swollen scrotum.

I don't recall this being posted before, please ignore if it has:

http://www.spayfirst.org/wp-content/upl ... nglish.pdf

tpacs671 (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:49 pm I don't recall this being posted before, please ignore if it has:

http://www.spayfirst.org/wp-content/upl ... nglish.pdf

That's a great paper. It also means it is gaining acceptance as a viable method.

I think it is interesting how they mention multiple times about injecting until a feeling of firm fullness is achieved. I hadn't heard that in any other paper.

I'm cancelling my appointment and am going to make one in my home state with a urologist there. Insurance is much more kind there. I don't feel like covering 20% of all costs. The plan says I pay nothing except for co-pays for office visits and up to deductible ($250) when I'm in my home state.

I'll be visiting home for a week in two weeks, so my update will be a tad later. Any surgery that may happen will occur this summer (after may 10th).

tpacs671 (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:49 pm I don't recall this being posted before, please ignore if it has:

http://www.spayfirst.org/wp-content/upl ... nglish.pdf

In page four the paper it instructs us to "Inject through the tail of the epididymis", and it shows two photos to demonstrate, one with a needle inserted from below the testicle, labeled correct, and the other with the needle inserted from the side, labeled incorrect. Does anyone know why this is? How might the direction the needle is inserted from effect the outcome of the process?

richard_free (imported) wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:30 am In page four the paper it instructs us to "Inject through the tail of the epididymis", and it shows two photos to demonstrate, one with a needle inserted from below the testicle, labeled correct, and the other with the needle inserted from the side, labeled incorrect. Does anyone know why this is? How might the direction the needle is inserted from effect the outcome of the process?

I presume it might rely upon the longer path preventing escape of the sclerosing agent into the scrotum.