i have to echo MrT, its addictive, 1st hand here, and it may not fit your body image, another 1st hand here.

no it wont show up on anything but an estrogen test

if they want a full hormone panel, which is rare when not by request, then it will show up, but it sounds like your sensitive to E in the extreme and your dose is so low it will just look like you have abnormally high estrogen, some guys do and never know it. They might ask if your having ED and if not leave it alone. If your on enough androcur or estrogen to shut down your testes then there might be an elevated LH which they might want to investigate, but you dont have to if you dont want to, its not like anyone can force treatment on you...

Hi all,

I want to do something against my libido, most of my free-time I search through this forum and other sources, cause it makes me hot thinking about chemical castrate myself. Since my second dream is growing small breasts I ordered some Depo-Provera and Estraderm, but it has not arrived yet.

I want to start with 150 mg DP / a month and 2 pads Estraderm 100 per week. Will adding the estrogen speed up the slowing down of libido and erections, can it be that the estrogen will totally kill it rather than bring it down to a lower level?

And on the other side will the DP help to let the feminizing effect start faster?

Tyler

Tyler it's not an overnight thing, you won't even see results for a few months...

The Estrogen al one - you won't see much difference in libido, in my case anyway.

The Depo you will see an effect with, and it may cause you to rethink your reasons for doing such - mark this sentence - when it arrives, say 8 weeks from now tell me how you feel........

I speak from experience except I like Estrogen, but I like having SOME libido too....

Mrt's and DonFL's mentioning the addictiveness of estrogen made me curious. I have been taking estradiol for the last two years or so and I would not want to stop taking it because I like its effects and dread seeing them reversed. I don't think that's the kind of "addiction" the earlier posters meant, though. Am I wrong? Are there addictive qualities particular to estrogen?

I believe the addiction they speak of comes from the mental calmness.

When I go off of it, a week or so later I get an anger flash or have a hard time coping with something and it's li ke someone going back in the back room and smoking a doobie or something, except it just calms with out the high.

That's maybe the best way I can relate it, emotional addiction.

It is addicting, although I did stop for a couple months before starting again, and st arting was to prevent loss of what I had gained, not the emotional - but the emotional is awesome!

It is mentally and physically addictive. Its a very powerful hormone, evidenced by the fact that small doses of it will displace T so easly. Emotionaly, yes, i loved the change in mental state and my increased empathy, and my general well being. I liked having a libido but not such a powerful one. After several years it changed my body and even how my orgasm works.

Now my hormone receptors are expecting estrogen, and getting T. There was an adjustment period and they didn't want to metabolize the T, I had to use a "kick start" process to get T to absorb correctly again.

I miss the calm, I miss the change in body sensitivity, I dont miss the weight gain or the loss of male muscle structure. I'm getting used to having a "male" sized libido again.

Thanks, Tclosetgirl and DonFL, for your responses. Thankfully I have not had to experience what it's like to stop taking estrogen for myself, but I'm convinced, even more so now, that it would be an unpleasant thing. I love the sense of well-being estrogen's brought me, and its effect on my skin has been wonderful. Weight gain is annoying, but I think I can live with it. And, for me, not having a markedly male muscle structure is preferable to having one.

The closest I've come to stopping my hormone treatment was when I had to reduce and then stop my anti-androgen for a week or two because I was close to running out. Fortunately I still had plenty of estradiol pills. I thought it was interesting that after a few days I started feeling weepy and especially emotional, since emotionality and an increased tendency to cry are usually remarked upon in connection with estrogen, not testosterone, which, I assume, is what I had begun to experience more of than I was used to. Most bothersome, though, was a strange restless feeling in my arms and legs that made me want to move them all the time. Perhaps it was like what people feel who suffer from the restless legs syndrome?

Let me assert that I am no expert! I did read a great number of posts on the Doityourselfhormone group and started 'experimenting with Inhouse Pharmacy Rx. I think a male has to realize that you must lower your testosterone first before safe levels of estrogen will create effects. I use spirolactone and am up to 200 mg a day. I should add that I am 61 and before this regimen started-about 8 months on the spiro-I regularly had nocturnal erections, and could get aroused almost any time of the day. Now I don't have them, can only get aroused with some real effort in that narrow early morning window that we all are familiar with. I also have used-off and on-estrogen patches. Breasts get very sensitive-painful nipples-and there is some development. I want to say that one of the greatest effects of spiro for me is that I don't have any of this,in my view, foolish and dangerous self injury thinking that I read some posts.I am sorry that some need physical pain to get sexual pleasure. Re herbals-they are dangerous junk. Taking morbid amounts of them could be bad for your health as well as wallet. Taking excessive amounts of real estrogen is dangerous . Testosterone will still 'challenge' it and you won't get any of the changes you seek--unless you first use anti androgens. best wishes, helen

yes, there is a thread "chemical castration protocol with optional levels of feminizing"

http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showpos ... ostcount=1

this is the chemical castration and feminizing regime used by many SRS clinics with my own refinements added. Estrogen alone, in high doses, will also have a slow feminizing effect. for some even low doses.