...so, if this is true one could obtain some medical grade silicon like they used to use for breast injection except this time with a hardening agent.

Next, put it into a syringe and inject into both testicles creating artifical "lumps" or tumors.

Find a urologist by referral from a family physician and go for the big cut. By the time they get the frozen specimens back from the lab and find out that they have been had it will be all over.

By the way, you all didn't hear this here, either.

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I had to look long and hard (pun intended) for a female urologist to do my vasectomy. Was a great experience.

The website you mentioned were saying this from a hyperthetical point of view. Of couse to determine any part of an organ if it is cancerous is to have it removed and dissected and put under the microscope, this is not about curing a patient directly but in the interest of research. You dont deny someone of a lung if he is suffering from lunhg cancer.

Of course many if all urologists need to be trained in surgical procedures because that is how they get their degrees, they need to understand what the operations involves and give informed decisions to patients, I know because I mets many who dont become surgeon.

Chemical castration is different from having your nuts removed, as you have put it in your previouse post but retracted to suite your arguement. This is the same as having jabs to reduce male hormone or boos female hormone as I said earlier, and no they dont remove your nut to cure prostate cancer, not these days anyway.

Hilander, you are very misinformed. The certainly

SplitDick (imported) wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2002 4:46 pm remove testicles for prostate cancer.

Here are several more references to support my claim.

Here is a personal account of a prostate patient, follow the link for the "Flow Chart of Dates" and you will see that he had a bilateral orchiectomy in March of 1999, just two months after his first PSA test. Link is at http://www.ricmasten.com/Prostate.Series.html

WebMD site lists bilateral orchiectomy first on the list of alternatives for men requiring hormone treatment for prostate cancer: http://webmd.lycos.com/content/article/1680.50818

This web site also mentions bilateral orchiectomy first in the list of treatment options: http://www.blackhealthnetwork.com/artic ... ticleid=31

This web site says "bilateral Orchiectomy remains the main method at Stage D". See http://www.sfcs.org.sg/urology/ca-p.html

On this site, bilateral orchiectomy is listed as the first option for hormonal treatment. http://www.prostatehealth.org/patient/fPAT07.html

This site says "bilateral orchiectomy is usually done when you have cancer in your prostate gland". http://www.medformation.com/mf/crsaa.nsf/crs/biorch.htm

Here is a personal story of a guy receiving bilateral orchiectomy for prostate cancer in 1988. http://www.cancerguide.org/jmartin_story.html

This site describes bilateral orchiectomy as a valid treatment option: http://www.ecpcp.org/ecpcp_opt2.htm

Anyways, EVERY single site about prostate cancer mentions bilateral orchiectomy as a treatment option. In the last five years there have been alternatives, but there are still many bilateral orchiectomies performed and you can certainly get it if you request it.

Again, you are entirely wrong about the biopsies for testicular cancer. They DO remove the testicle if there is a lump. Just to do the biopsy, even before they are sure it is cancer. Here is another link to back me up -- it is not just theoretical! http://cis.nci.nih.gov/fact/6_34.htm says "In nearly all cases of suspected cancer, the entire affected testicle is removed "

This one says "A radical orchiectomy is indicated in the management of a suspected testicular tumor. Suspect a testicular tumor in a patient with the physical findings of a painless, firm, and irregular mass arising from the testicle." http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic3063.htm

So where do you get your facts from hilander? I would like to agree with you because I think it is stupid that doctors remove so many testicles -- with a bit of care I am sure they could remove lumps without the whole thing. But they don't. They believe testicles are expendible and there are many quotes that having just one won't affect you at all (unless you find out later that that remaining testicle has fertility problem, etc.)

I wouldnt read too much into those website. While all variouse options have been tried throughout the history of testiculer and prostate cancers no medical profession would sanction the idea of cutting your knackers without finding if its treatable, if this happens in the outbacks of certain states in USA were medical malpractice exist then that is another story.

So you believe a man goes to a urologist and they found a lump next they cut both of his bollocks off then decide if they are cancerous? Oh come of it!

I am sorry I just couldnt help myself laughing....please dont add anymore replies to this subject it too hilarouse to devout so much efforts into something concocted by some weirdos whos opinions belongs to another planets and do you no favours when you take their words as face value.

Hilander, the sites I listed were government sites and cancer organizations. If you don't believe them, then who do you believe?

I don't get my information just from the web. I have seen a urologist twice this month. I asked her whether she had been trained to perform orchiectomies, and asked her whether how often she performed them. She said she averages six orchiectomies per month! There is a lot of ball hacking going on out there.

It does seems ridiculous that they would not try to save the balls, but guess what, doctors just don't care! A very similar problem occurred with hysterectomies. In the 1980s, women finally made a huge outcry about the number of unnecessary hysterectomies that were being performed. Doctors do not consider sex organs important in relation to life-threatening diseases.

Lastly, castration is castration. Even if you are taking chemical castration, your doctor is saying your balls are unnecessary. Look at all the side effects listed for Lupron: loss of libido, infertility, etc. Your balls might as well be cut off!

Lastly, please don't tell me not to post further. You have only given personal opinion, and I have tried to objectively post many people's opinions. I think people have the right to know. If you can bring any real medical insight into this issue, please post it. Otherwise you are not very credible.

I must concur with Splitdick.

Orchiectomy is used as an option to control prostate cancer. In addition, estrogen shrinks many prostatic tumors. It all depends on the type of cancer that is being dealt with. These options are becoming dated, however, as more modern and less invasive methods become widely accepted and available.

On the other hand, there are many more chemotherapeutic durgs that will accomplish the same result as orcheictomy and estrogen therapy, and some will do it without destroying the libido.

The bottom line is that the decision to perform orchiectomy is between the physician and the patient. Urologists are certainly classified as surgical specialists. Perhaps you, Highlander, have the specialty of Nephrology confused with Urology. Nephrologists are doctors that spealize in kidney function and Urologists are doctors that specialize in Urologic surgical procedures of the urinary tract. The specialities are similar but different.

One could compare Thoracic (open Heart) surgeons with Cardiologists in the same manner. Again, the former is indeed a surgeon, and the latter is a specialist whose surgical expertise is limited to performing procedures that visualize the vascular areas of the heart muscle by cardiac catheterization and perform interventional procedures such as the placement of stents to keep blood vessels open. Hospitals usually demand that a cardiac surgeon and open heart team are available when a Cardiologist works. Brave (or foolish) cardiologists perform cardiac catheterizations in their offices now. (Go figure.)

Well, I hope that this helps. If anyone hopes to obtain a legitimate orchiectomy they need to consult a Urologist. The main reason why Urologists do not do them on demand is because of the fear of malpractice litigation. A guy could actually make a good lawsuit case by claiming insanity drove him to get castrated by a Urologist and that the Urologist did not act reasonably since he (or she) did not obtain a Psychiatriac consultation before performing the irreversable surgery.

If a Urologist can be made to feel comfortable I am sure that they can do orchiectomies safely in their office. If the patient has underlying medical conditions then they would need to be done in an outpatient surgery facility.

Well, I hope that his helps.

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Play nice, kids, or I'll separate you.

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Contrary to what Splitdick says, I have NOT had any success in finding a Urologist who's even the least bit interested in the problem, much less exerting any effort to solve it - except to write the f*cking bill! I don't doubt for a moment that Splitdick has read credible sources and talked with Urologists. Likewise, other posters (like me) have not had such luck. It's entirely possible that he's run into a ball-chop-happy Urologist. Wouldn't that be a wet dream come true?! This does not discredit anyone, other than the lazy-ass Doctors.

Let's have a little couthe here in our replies, folks. If you don't agree, fine. Just make your argument credible, rational, and don't get rude in telling someone not to post.

Well Guys it's settled then.

In regards to a female doing the procedure, yes a great idea. I would defineitly seek out a female urologist for the procedure. Women have much better fine motor skills and would leave less of a scar where the sac used to be! For future serenity, find a nice sweet motherly doctor to take your balls. You'll be glad you did. She may even hire you to paint her fence, and have you happily doing it for free.

As far as nonessential surgeries go, as surgery becomes safer, cheaper, and more accepted the medical profession encourages increased surgical intervention. It just makes sense and it is already happening! Hey, if you want to keep the doors open to save Billy from appendicities, you better take out a few uteruses on the way. Since the surgery is safe, few law suits and everyone is happy.

Untill recently nutrition was taught in public school. We no longer teach nutrtion, PE is a joke more than ever, and Pepsi machines dot the halls of high schools. So your illness is good for the economy, and will be encouraged. When push comes to shove cut 'em off or cut it out.

Further, western medicine does a relatively poor job of educating people on disease and prevention. Just look at this Archive performing a needed medical task. Many of us who have castration fantsies would have no where to express and explore these psychological maladies. I'm sure many would have already mutilated themselves, and yes be lined up in the ERs waiting to be sutured up.

I'm just glad I don't live in India. What a cute picture Paolo! it! Very, very cute!!!!!!

-plezherus (NEVER HER ASS!!!)