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Re: Scenery, Lycra And Testosterone

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:41 am
by Sac_mec (imported)
I am sorry that we are concentrating so much on this one person, it wasn't my intention that the thread would concentrate on it, but it is very much in the news. I returned today to read the weekend papers and comments about Landis.

A good news source I found was google.co.uk and then I chose 'Pages from the UK' and typed in "Tour De France 2006". There are news reports from the BBC,Eurosport, The Guardian, The Independent and The Daily Telegraph.

I found the Telegraph report particularly interesting because apparently Landis boasted that after an unsatisfactory ride on Stage 17 that he commented that his performance the next day on the uphill stage would be very good. None of the accounts provide him with support as a fair winner. We await the judgement of the International Committee on The Tour De France.

Meanwhile, if you can try and enjoy the last day (I think) of the Deutschland Cycling Tour tomorrow.

Re: Scenery, Lycra And Testosterone

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:14 am
by Sac_mec (imported)
Once the Deutschland Cycling Tour 2006 is over, we can look forward to more wonderful scenery plus bright sunshine. The Spanish tour begins from August 26th to 17th September. It will be another opportunity to enjoy the countryside of Spain and the bright sunshine too which will have softened further north here in the UK by then sadly :(; I believe that also it is the last Cycling tour of the European season. So it is a bit special.

Spain has an incredible diversity of countryside and very lovely cities.

The aerial photo shots will be good, as will those taken by motorcyclist pillion riders with cameras. More suntanned legs, more colourful team colours and a sport which is a pleasure to watch, even if you hate other Sports (which I tend to). Spain's TVE will be providing the longest coverage of the race but Eurosport are already featuring stories on the riders taking part.

Sadly, the winner in 2005 was disqualified on a doping charge. Such a handsome healthy sporting activity doesn't deserve to be tainted by doping. I'm looking forward very much to seeing this race and I trust that all the participants perform to their own personal best abilities

and I trust that testosterone levels will remain average. Sport should be fun after all. Good luck to the Vuelta and to all the teams taking part.

Re: Scenery, Lycra And Testosterone

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:40 am
by Uncle Flo (imported)
Obviously, you are a fan of the sport--------or perhaps a fan of lycra clad sportsmen! --FLO--

Re: Scenery, Lycra And Testosterone

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:05 pm
by kristoff
Patient (imported) wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:47 am There is an article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00960.html) by Ben Harder in the Health section of today's (8Aug06) Washington Post concerning Landis' allegedly excessive testosterone. There is a good bit of general info about T in the article as well as rather strong hints that Harder thinks someone administered a large dose of transdermal T to Landis before stage 17.

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The Article:

Hormones As Dope

How Testosterone Pumps Up Performance

By Ben Harder

Special to The Washington Post

Tuesday, August 8, 2006; Page HE01

After repeated testing of a sample of Tour de France winner Floyd Landis's urine revealed apparent doping with testosterone, one detail seemed to seal the case: The sample suggesting there were artificially high levels of the hormone in his body was collected immediately after his stunning come-from-behind performance on the 17th stage of the 20-part race.

Clearly, the speculation was he'd juiced up right before the big ride.

A lot isn't known yet about what Landis took and when he took it. But a lot is understood about testosterone, the naturally occurring hormone that makes males men. And none of it suggests that it would have helped Landis much if he had binged on a synthetic form of the man-juice right before his comeback ride.

Testosterone's abilities to enhance performance when taken at high doses accrue gradually, so athletes who abuse it usually do so over an extended period, experts say. This stuff is not Popeye's spinach.

The conventional wisdom is that "you need a while for it to work," says Linn Goldberg, an internist at the Oregon Health and Science University in Portland and a spokesman for the Endocrine Society.

"I'm not familiar with [testosterone] being used effectively the day of an event, because it takes time to have an impact," says Gary I. Wadler, an internist at the New York University School of Medicine and a consultant to the World Anti-Doping Agency.

When taken over time, testosterone can confer a number of athletic advantages: increased muscle strength and size, improved bone strength and a higher count of red blood cells, which transport oxygen to demanding tissues. Taking the hormone regularly can also reduce muscle soreness after workouts, cutting recovery time, Goldberg says.

He and other experts note, however, that artificially inflated levels of testosterone have serious side effects and risks, including infertility, dangerous enlargement of the heart, prostate enlargement, balding, and acne. By boosting red-cell count, it may also trigger strokes. The hormone can produce psychological effects such as aggressiveness that, while adverse in most contexts, could aid competitive athletes under pressure to perform, says Wadler. But it's not known whether these mental changes happen fast enough to help an athlete immediately before competition.

"There's not really been a good study to show an acute response to a single dose," says endocrinologist Richard J. Auchus of the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas. "You can see manic responses in some people in just a few days, but it's not uniform from person to person."

Let's Go to the Glands

Testosterone is made primarily in the testes, which is why it's the trademark male sex hormone. (Women make smaller amounts in their ovaries and adrenal glands, and usually have about 5 percent as much testosterone as men do.)

The testes release numerous pulses of testosterone every day, and men's blood concentrations generally rise during the night and decline during the day, Auchus says. The hormone's level in urine reflects average blood levels during the period the urine was made. In men, levels change little from day to day or week to week, although they decline with age.

As the body makes testosterone, it also generates a biologically inactive byproduct called epitestosterone. Most people have about equal amounts of those two hormones.

Since synthetic preparations generally don't contain epitestosterone, a doping athlete's T:E ratio gets out of whack.

That's why authorities measure the T:E ratio to detect possible doping. For most men, the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone is between 1:1 and 3:1, Auchus says. A ratio of 4:1 or higher triggers suspicion of doping.

It's possible to be higher than that cutoff without doping, but "if you naturally exceed it, you'd be naturally exceeding it all the time," Goldberg says. Several tests over a period of time would verify this.

Landis's ratio went from below 4:1 after the Tour's 15th stage to 11:1 two days later, according to the reported results of testing on a urine sample collected on the Tour's 17th stage, a 200-kilometer event that took place on July 20. Within a day or two, it was back below 4:1.

Why They Call It Dope

Yes, but couldn't Landis's heroic ride itself have produced the spike in the manly chemical? Or how about the beer and whiskey power drinks he says he indulged in the night before the 17th stage?

Unlikely. Few things other than use of testosterone or other anabolic steroids are known to boost levels or change the T:E ratio significantly, Auchus says. Landis's testosterone also contained isotopes of carbon that indicated it was not made in his body.

Brief periods of "vigorous exercise might bump up your testosterone a bit, and so might a high-protein diet," Goldberg says. The physical stress associated with prolonged, intense exercise might eventually lower a person's testosterone level. But in either case, these changes would be minimal, he said.

As for drinking alcohol, there is some evidence (at least in females) it may increase the T:E ratio slightly, Wadler says. "But that wouldn't bring it from below 4 to 11," he adds.

Some athletes "cycle" or "pyramid" their use of anabolic steroids such as testosterone, experts say. That is, they use illegal substances episodically during training and then taper off before anticipated testing, to clear the substance from their systems.

Other athletes may use testosterone gel or cream or even lozenges (because they absorb through the skin in the mouth) judiciously throughout training and competition, with the expectation that small amounts will provide benefits without knocking their T:E ratio too far out of line. Testosterone applied via gels and creams leaves the body more quickly than that coming from shots, which is why many athletes prefer the transdermal forms.

So how could such circumspect cheaters get burned by a urine test they are expecting? Taking testosterone through the skin has unpredictable results, Goldberg says. "You might have applied more, or just absorbed more of it than usual. You might be flying under the radar and then, boom, you hit" a detectable level, he says.

Could a bit of carelessness or an unexpected bodily response to synthetic testosterone have unmasked Landis's deception? That's a question that remains to be answered. ยท

Re: Scenery, Lycra And Testosterone

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:57 pm
by SplitDik (imported)
I have an explanation of why Landis may have indeed taken testosterone purposefully, despite it seeming so stupid.

I think he didn't believe he would win. Since only the winners in Tour get much real drug scrutiny (who cares if you cheat to be in 12th place?), it makes sense to me that many in the back of the pack might still do a lot of performance enhancement. I think that is what he did, and then he just got greedy when he should have let himself slide back to fifth place or so.

This to me seems like a valid explanation for "how could he be so stupid?"

Also, testosterone does have short term effects. There is definitely an andrenaline relationship with testosterone levels, beyond the more basic muscle building.

Re: Scenery, Lycra And Testosterone

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:09 am
by Sac_mec (imported)
Ah, Uncle Flo you've got me sussed, I see. I'm not a fan of many sports at all.

Most are in outdoor or indoor static stadiums and there's little of interest to me in that. Summer is special, especially if it is short (which it hasn't been this year, so far) and so seeing different places and different cyclists from all sorts of angles and views, is attractive to watch. One can have no interest in sex and yet still find beauty in males. The tours generally follow rural roads and routes and give breathtaking sequences so you can 'armchair travel' and also get a better view than someone there at the location. Some of the pale blue coloured lycra shorts, for example display the occupants privates bulges rather cutely and so it is an innocent pleasure for someone of my age!

I find some of the Winter Sports enjoyeable also, being outdoor events too but attractive cyclists in summer are neater. I don't really know all their names but I love the locations and the camera work. I'm pleased you 'unmasked' me!Well done, Uncle Flo. Given that this is a eunuch site I thought I'd ask the question again that I did in the opening thread, do other people enjoy or dislike seeing smooth sunkissed legs and prominent bulges or do you find the bulges unpleasant?? I think one can be both a Eunuch and an admirer of the high concentration levels of Lycra that such events display. I don't see a conflict - as long as it remains on TV. I wouldn't invite one of them in for teaI don't think!! I hope you've enjoyed the honesty of my reply.

Re: Scenery, Lycra And Testosterone

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:21 am
by Blaise (imported)
SplitDik (imported) wrote: Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:57 pm I have an explanation of why Landis may have indeed taken testosterone purposefully, despite it seeming so stupid.

I think he didn't believe he would win. Since only the winners in Tour get much real drug scrutiny (who cares if you cheat to be in 12th place?), it makes sense to me that many in the back of the pack might still do a lot of performance enhancement. I think that is what he did, and then he just got greedy when he should have let himself slide back to fifth place or so.

This to me seems like a valid explanation for "how could he be so stupid?"

Also, testosterone does have short term effects. There is definitely an andrenaline relationship with testosterone levels, beyond the more basic muscle building.

"Also, testosterone does have short term effects. There is definitely an andrenaline relationship with testosterone levels, beyond the more basic muscle building.
"

That is what I experienced when I received HRT.I thought it was merely psychologlical, but now I think otherwise.

Re: Scenery, Lycra And Testosterone

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:06 am
by Sac_mec (imported)
Uncle Flo, honestly quite by accident I have found even more Scenery and Lycra with another national cycling race currently going out live on TV.

The Cycle race is The Volta from sunny Portugal. The beautiful images can be found on the main European Portuguese Channel, RTP Internaccional.

To an English ear the commentary is unfathomable but one can always kill the volume, relax in your armchair and enjoy the journey and smooth legs etc..

For information to European viewers you can tune in on Astra 19.2E at:

11568 V 22000 5/6. RTP Mae is only on Digital satellite but it is free to watch

(FTA). I shall be spending a relaxing afternoon now enjoying all the sites and pleasures of another National Cycling Race:)

Re: Scenery, Lycra And Testosterone

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:32 am
by Sac_mec (imported)
A final chance now for us Northern Europeans has arrived with the Spanish

Cycling Race, "El Vuelta" which will be underway until mid-September.

There'll be plenty of team colours to enjoy, lots of perspiring smooth legs

and some of the best scenery both landscape and manscape on TV now.

Eurosport will be starting coverage from this Saturday and those who can

decrypt Tele Deporte (in Mediaguard and Nagravision) will get the best "look in"

I guess. The channel is on numerous satellites. Happy viewing to everyone :)

Re: Scenery, Lycra And Testosterone

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:39 am
by tugon (imported)
Thank you Sac-Mec for keeping us updated on the beautiful scenery. Just the other day I was driving through a neighboring town and they were having an endurance race. I was behind several of the young men riding and before I knew it I was way off course. It was like I was hypnotized and could not stop following them. I have a lead foot and I did not mind driving slow. Thought of you at the time. Cursed myself for not having the camera with me.