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Re: An American to be proud of

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:01 pm
by Studlover (imported)
Blaise (imported) wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:50 am I think that after 1997 women became full members of the Vienna Philharmonic. There is only one female member. One woman played for 20 years, but she was not a member until 1997. Some other women have performed with the orchestra as guests. I do not recall any woman who has conducted the orchestra.

blaise, I stand corrected on this. After I posted my remark, I siad, "Damn! In 1997, the Americans put pressure on the Vienna Phil and there is a woman now.

Oh for America. Where would the world be if it were not for the Stars and Stripes forever? Personally, I couldn't care less if the Vienna were all women, but the fact they were pressured into it by a country that sets its own values still rubs me the wrong way!

OK, America with all its missionaires and do-gooders, when are you going to come down on the Tour de France. I am patiently waiting.

Studlover

Re: An American to be proud of

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:01 pm
by Blaise (imported)
Studlover (imported) wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:01 pm blaise, I stand corrected on this. After I posted my remark, I siad, "Damn! In 1997, the Americans put pressure on the Vienna Phil and there is a woman now.

Oh for America. Where would the world be if it were not for the Stars and Stripes forever? Personally, I couldn't care less if the Vienna were all women, but the fact they were pressured into it by a country that sets its own values still rubs me the wrong way!

OK, America with all its missionaires and do-gooders, when are you going to come down on the Tour de France. I am patiently waiting.

Studlover
I agree with you.I like it when someone tells us Americans to bug off. I am an American Southerner. I know what a bore a bunch of damm Yankees are! They did have a fine American conductor in Loren Mazel. He could play the game as well as anyone in Vienna could.

After he worked with that symphony, Leonard Bernstein said that the players of the Vienna, knew who he was and he knew who they were. He said that did not matter, What mattered was the music. Together, they created fine interpretations of Mahler.

I think that the Vienna, like several other fine orchestras, is autonomous. The Vienna, I understand, tunes is a distinct way. They are said to use catgut strings. I love the sound.

Re: An American to be proud of

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:57 am
by Riverwind (imported)
Blaise (imported) wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:01 pm I agree with you.I like it when someone tells us Americans to bug off. I am an American Southerner. I know what a bore a bunch of damm Yankees are! They did have a fine American conductor in Loren Mazel. He could play the game as well as anyone in Vienna could.

After he worked with that symphony, Leonard Bernstein said that the players of the Vienna, knew who he was and he knew who they were. He said that did not matter, What mattered was the music. Together, they created fine interpretations of Mahler.

I think that the Vienna, like several other fine orchestras, is autonomous. The Vienna, I understand, tunes is a distinct way. They are said to use catgut strings. I love the sound.
I had a friend from the south and he told me there were two kinds of Yankees, a dead one and a damn one. I think he said it in jest.

River from the west coast were we dont get into such arguments. http://www.eunuch.org/Public/Images/ea1 ... ea1/E9.gif

Re: An American to be proud of

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:06 am
by Riverwind (imported)
Of all the sporting events around the world Le Tour de France is the standard that all others will never reach. This event is brutal unkind and taxing on body and soul. Yes they have bikes that weigh 8 ozs and all the techno that money can buy to help them but no other sport comes close. Not bull fighting, Haili, down hill skiing, Football (american or other then), auto racing all types, nothing comes close. And what do they get for it.

I went to france and all I got was this yellow t-shirt.

River

PS. Anybody that enters and finishes this race is a winner.

Re: An American to be proud of

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:46 am
by Slammr (imported)
Although Floyd Landis actually won the Tour yesterday when he defeated his closest rivals in the time trial, he won it officially today in Paris, putting the yellow jersey on the back of an American for the eighth straight year. Lance Armstrong, who retired last year, won it an unprecedented seven straight years.

Re: An American to be proud of

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:15 am
by Studlover (imported)
Slammr (imported) wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:46 am Although Floyd Landis actually won the Tour yesterday when he defeated his closest rivals in the time trial, he won it officially today in Paris, putting the yellow jersey on the back of an American for the eighth straight year. Lance Armstrong, who retired last year, won it an unprecedented seven straight years.

Slammr, I was there to Landis make it! What a thrill! One or two Americans were there to wave the flag. It was so exciting to see the police escort and then the bikers! The ceremonies were interesting. As the Star-Spangled Banner played, Landis stood solemnly and then broke into a smile and waved to the crowd.

I wonder what Lance was thinking?

Did I feel partiotic toward America being on foreign soil? I must say for some strang reason I was looking on America as a "foreign country."

Aside from *my* personal feelings, I congratulate Landis and particularly suffering from an arthritic hip and still won!

Studlover

Re: An American to be proud of

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:16 am
by Studlover (imported)
Riverwind (imported) wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:06 am Of all the sporting events around the world Le Tour de France is the standard that all others will never reach. This event is brutal unkind and taxing on body and soul. Yes they have bikes that weigh 8 ozs and all the techno that money can buy to help them but no other sport comes close. Not bull fighting, Haili, down hill skiing, Football (american or other then), auto racing all types, nothing comes close. And what do they get for it.

I went to france and all I got was this yellow t-shirt.

River

PS. Anybody that enters and finishes this race is a winner.

Really, River? I thought you got Jaundis! 😄 😄

Studlover

Re: An American to be proud of

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:40 pm
by Blaise (imported)
Riverwind is absolutely correct. Anyone who finishes this race is a winner--heck, anyone who tries it, is a hero. The fact that Landis made his remarkable comeback and then with such an incredible margin amazes me. 🇺🇸

Re: An American to be proud of

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:42 pm
by Blaise (imported)
Studlover (imported) wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:15 am Slammr, I was there to Landis make it! What a thrill! One or two Americans were there to wave the flag. It was so exciting to see the police escort and then the bikers! The ceremonies were interesting. As the Star-Spangled Banner played, Landis stood solemnly and then broke into a smile and waved to the crowd.

I wonder what Lance was thinking?

Did I feel partiotic toward America being on foreign soil? I must say for some strang reason I was looking on America as a "foreign country."

Aside from *my* personal feelings, I congratulate Landis and particularly suffering from an arthritic hip and still won!

Studlover
🇺🇸

Wow, what a thrill!

Re: An American to be proud of

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:51 am
by Slammr (imported)
Landis Says HeÂ’s Innocent of Doping

NY Times Article (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/28/sport ... OFdu63uI9A)

By JULIET MACUR and CARLA BARANAUCKAS

Published: July 28, 2006

Floyd Landis, the Tour de France winner who tested positive for illegally high levels of testosterone, unequivocally denied that he had used any banned substances to enhance his performance in the race.

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Floyd Landis speaking at a news conference today.

“I would like to leave absolutely clear that I am not in any doping process,” Landis said in a news conference in Madrid today.

He asked that cycling fans and the news media wait to draw any conclusions about his case until further tests are carried out. He said he had requested that a backup urine sample be tested immediately and that he would have representatives monitor the test to make sure it is carried out accurately.

On Sunday, Landis became the third American cyclist to win the Tour. But three days after his victorious ride into Paris, his celebration ended when he learned that one of his urine samples showed an abnormal ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone. The sample was collected on the evening of Stage 17, the day Landis improbably climbed to 3rd place from 11th in one of the greatest performances in cycling history.

The Phonak team, based in Switzerland, suspended Landis and said on Thursday that it would fire him if a backup test confirmed the initial result. Landis would also lose his Tour title and the accolades that go with it, including worldwide celebrity and lucrative sponsorships.

If, however, there is no confirmation of the first result, the process will end and the 30-year-old Landis will be cleared.

Landis said today that he, like many athletes, has naturally high levels of testerone. He also insisted that he has never been involved in doping and has high regard for cycling because it is a “clean” sport.

“I’m proud of the fact that I won the Tour because I was the strongest guy there,” Landis said.

Speaking from Europe on Thursday in a teleconference with reporters, Landis said a “disastrous feeling” swept over him when he heard about his positive test. He said he had never used performance-enhancing drugs and was mystified by the abnormality of his testosterone level.

He said he and his personal doctor, Dr. Brent Kay, were looking for possible explanations. Among them, they speculated, were Landis’s use of thyroid medicine for previously diagnosed hypothyroidism and his consumption of alcohol the night before Stage 17. Dr. Kay said that in his initial research, he learned that the test for testosterone levels has a “long history of inaccuracy.”

The Phonak team said it would ask the laboratory to analyze LandisÂ’s B sample. That analysis, the team said, would prove that the result was a mistake or that Landis has a naturally high testosterone level.

“I don’t look for sympathy,” Landis said. “All I’m asking for is that I be given what everybody in America has been accustomed to: innocent until proven guilty, rather than the way cycling is normally treated.”

Landis was a teammate of Lance ArmstrongÂ’s during three of ArmstrongÂ’s seven consecutive Tour victories. But as a leader of his own team, in Stage 17 of this yearÂ’s Tour, Landis roared back into the overall lead pack after falling more than eight minutes behind the leader the day before. He said there was no special reason for his performance.

“There are 20 stages of the Tour, and every day you see a fabulous performance,” he said. “Explain the other 19.”

Whatever the reason for the comeback, his subsequent victory became the feel-good story that the Tour needed, particularly after the way the race had begun.

Stage and overall leaders, along with random participants, are tested each day. I can't imagine he'd be stupid enough to try to escape notice. There's another urine sample to be tested. If it also turns out positive, then he loses everything. Unfortunately, people aren't innocent until proven guilty. Landis is forever tainted by this, whether he used steroids or not.