Three arrested in NC for Castrations

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bobbie (imported) wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:21 pm I went to my psychiatrist and he wrote that it was OK for me to be castrated. He also stated in the letter that I was not psychotic! Went to my general doctor and he wrote that it was OK for me to be castrated. My urologist was OK with my castration. Now am I psychotic or just a normal person that has no need for testicles?

I guess I found three doctors that are psychotic?

No, none of you are psychotic.

But the rest of the world is...
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• Michael Mendez, 60, of 541 Peace Mountain Road, on charges of castration without malice, maiming without malice and practicing medicine without a license.

• Richard Peter Sciara, 61, of 541 Peace Mountain Road, on charges of maiming and castration without malice, conspiracy and practicing medicine without a license.

• Danny Carroll Reeves, 49, of 541 Peace Mountain Road, on charges of maiming and castration without malice, conspiracy and practicing medicine without malice.

As pointed out before all the charges are "without malice" because with malice was what they did to african americans years ago (and that's not a joke nor intended to be funny)...

And the clincher - - Practicing medicine without a license. No one practices medscine without a license that's protection for society from quacks and charlatans
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OneBallBoi (imported) wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:49 am A psychologist in the same interview said that anyone who wants to be castrated is psychotic. So be it. Most of us have strong reasoning for our desire.

Well what do they call 20 year old women who want breast implants? Or a 40 year old woman who wants a breast reduction?

What do they call people who want face lifts and nose jobs and liposuction at the age of 35? (Actors, of course)

And why do women wear make-up? Are they unhappy with their bodys/faces? Isn't that just a mask?
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OK, what I want to know is, was/is castration so common in NC at some point in time, that they had to put a law on the books specifically naming CASTRATION in the law?!?!

"Castration without malice."

So is there also a "Tonsilectomy with or without malice?" law too? - maybe?!

What IS this?
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Paolo wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:49 pm OK, what I want to know is, was/is castration so common in NC at some point in time, that they had to put a law on the books specifically naming CASTRATION in the law?!?!

"Castration without malice."

So is there also a "Tonsilectomy with or without malice?" law too? - maybe?!

What IS this?

It was called racism and it involved lynching, castration, mutilation and other evil acts against black people. That's why the law was passed to criminalize acts done "with malice" ...

As for
Paolo wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:49 pm "Tonsilectomy with or without malice
" that's
Dave (imported) wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:16 pm practicing medicine without a license.
Would you submit to heart surgery without a license? An appendectomy without a license?
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Dave (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:52 am It was called racism and it involved lynching, castration, mutilation and other evil acts against black people. That's why the law was passed to criminalize acts done "with malice" ...

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Dave (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:52 am t's
Dave (imported) wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:16 pm practicing medicine without a license.
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Would you submit to heart surgery without a license? An appendectomy without a license?

You mean I had to have a license to get my appendix removed? I never had one? Good thing I didn't get a ticket.

Sorry... couldn't resist.

You are point on about racism and the days of mutilation and lynching.... We are not far removed from that time - folks are just more genteel about the lynching today, doing it in other ways.
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In the usualy fashion - here is a very weird twist from yours truely.

People are quick to band around words like 'illegal'. But laws change. It is only illegal because the current government and laws of today say so.

I would like to question this for a moment.

Even the authorities acknowledge that the men were willing participants. On who's behalf are the prosecutions taking place? And who do they stand to benefit?

I understand the argument for
Dave (imported) wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:16 pm practicing medicine without a li
scence - that's for the safety of citizens. But what right does the system have to take away people offering help - when this same system would deny that professional help from people desiring castration?

One thing nobody has questioned, is the nature of the 'dungeon' being run. The ORR would easily be called a 'dungeon' of sorts by the media - and it too has videos of the procedure. Yet it provides a very essential service to the public who would otherwise do this in the home - with an even greater risk.

Did the authorities really act in public interest? Or did they act for their own peace of mind - because they want to continue to deny this phenomenon exists?
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The article below is on the front page of the Sunday edition of the Asheville (North Carolina) Citizen-Times. It is far better than I would have expected given both the subject and the section of the country. The Eunuch Archive is mentioned at the end of the article – I've highlighted it in red.

Jon Ostendorff is interested in further information about castration, eunuchs, and cutters and has written to Richard Wassersug to set up an interview. I may also be interviewed by him.

I have looked through the on-line listing of North Carolina statutes, but have been unable to find the one for “
Dave (imported) wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:16 pm maiming and castration without malice
”, though I did find a “Class C” felony, number G.S. 14-28 “Malicious Castration”, which immediately follows in the statutes the law against statutory rape of a 13 to 15 year old by someone who is more than 4, but less than 6 years older than the victim.

Suspects in castrations go to court

by Jon Ostendorff, STAFF WRITER

Sunday, April 2, 2006

WAYNESVILLE - Three men charged with performing castrations on at least six men in their Haywood County home will likely go to court Monday.

A judge will advise them of their rights. They will also be given the opportunity to ask for a court-appointed attorney,
eunuchSF (imported) wrote: Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:10 pm District Attorney Michael Bonfoey said
Saturday.

The men
Dave (imported) wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:16 pm charged in connection with the illegal surgeries are:

o Michael Mendez, 60, of 541 Peace Mountain Road, on charges of castration without malice, maiming without malice and practicing medicine without a license.

o Richard Peter Sciara, 61, of 541 Peace Mountain Road, on charges of maiming and castration without malice, conspiracy and practicing medicine without a license.

o Danny Carroll Reeves, 49, of 541 Peace Mountain Road, on charges of maiming and castration without mal
ice, conspiracy and practicing medicine without malice.

Investigators said in court documents that the three men are “sexual lovers and have a master-slave relationship.”

State law requires the hearing for defendants who have not made bond within 96 hours of their arrest. As of Saturday evening, the men were in jail on $150,000 bond each.

Prosecutors will not offer evidence during the hearing.

The first hearing that could provide more details of the alleged castrations and illegal surgeries will be April 12. During that hearing, the state will offer evidence that shows it had cause to believe a crime was committed.

If convicted on the felony charges, the men, who do not have criminal records, could face up to 15 years in prison, the prosecutor said. They would receive probation if convicted on the misdemeanor charges.

Investigators believe that at least six men traveled from across the nation - and one from South America - to learn “slave training” and be castrated by Sciara, whom they called “Master Rick.”

Haywood County authorities said Friday the men were castrated during eight illegal surgeries at a house in the Allens Creek community, which police described as a “castration dungeon.”

The operations took place from June 2004 to November 2005 in a room off the carport that the participants called the dungeon.

Investigators said they found DVDs of the surgeries when they searched the home on Wednesday. They also found bloody scalpels, an invoice for pain medication and other medical equipment in the home.

They believe the victims willingly participated.

Investigators would not comment on how the men learned to perform the surgeries or whether anyone was paid. Papers filed with the search warrant for the house Friday do not mention evidence of medical training, other than a physician's reference book discovered in a bedroom.

A search of state health board Web sites in Kansas - where Sciara and Mendez once lived - and in Sciara's home state of California showed neither men have medical licenses. Reeves, who moved to Haywood County from Atlanta, does not have a medical license in Georgia, according to that state's medical board Web site.

Lawrence T. Buening Jr., executive director of the Kansas Board of Healing Arts, said Saturday that Sciara has never held a license to practice medicine in his state.

Castrations are often performed by urologists or endocrinologists, according to an online resource for transsexuals. One surgeon, who posts prices online, charges $2,000 for the procedure.

Because it eliminates the sources of masculine hormones, orchiectomy - surgical removal of the testicles - is a form of sex change for some people.

But “underground cutters” - a secret network of castrators without medical licenses - are also not uncommon. Stories on the Web site eunuch.org detail experiences with unlicensed surgeons.

Contact Ostendorff at 452-1467 or [email protected].

Asheville (NC) Citizen-Times

Sunday, April 2, 2006
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When a castration was botched here in the western PA area (Pittsburgh) the press, courts and legal authorities were sympathetic and kind to the person being castrated. They also brought only a minimum charge against the cutter. It is the idea of performing the surgery outside of what is viewed as legitimate medical authorities that causes so much grief and consternation.

Change has to occur not in the legal community but in the medical community.
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The whole "without malice" aspect is indeed interesting. The laws on the books are definitely "with malice" and in fact some gang members who shot a guy in the groin in N.C. a few years back were charged with exactly that.

But it is like euthanasia -- killing without malice. Is it really a crime?

I think the main thing society/law cares about in this case is what constitutes "consent". All of us can regret decisions, even those we consent to at the time. And the whole submissive/slave thing makes it very complicated. If a person has already given up decision-making to a master, then are their decisions consenual?

If the law determines that it truly was consensual, then they will only be charged with practicing the medicine without a license. If the law determines that those castrated were not fit to give consent, then it gets complicated.
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