A-1 (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:22 pm You know, for a bunch of LIBERAL fucks you sure as HELL sound like John Ashcroft's

fan club.

Doesn't John Ashcroft want to have schools teach Creationism rather than Darwin's theory of evolution?

OR it's philosophical brother-in-law - Intelligent Design rather than Darwin's theory of evolution? ? ?

And that Godd created the world 6,000 years ago - And dionosaurs walked the earth along side of early man?

That's about as anti-science as you can get. Bad choice for a role model.

Dave,

YUP! Right you are!

Softee says...

Re: College and University Life

Blaise (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:29 pm http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=7591

This list amuses me. Some of the books would be on my own worst lists. A few of these were important to me--well at least the Darwin works.

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Respect and love yourself.

Pray for me. I am reading number 5!

A-1 (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:22 pm :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk

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Dave,

A-1 (imported) wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:37 pm YUP! Right you are!

Softee says...

Pray for me. I am reading number 5!

A-1 (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:22 pm :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk

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Pretty good choice!

I have not gotten that far, but I will do a look ahead, I am sure it wont ruin the ending.

lets see numbers 5. hope its a short chaptor as I get distracted easly.

River

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:54 pm I think I know were he got it too,

G. Patton WWII

I want that basterd to die for his country,

I dont want our army to die for ours.

or there abouts.

River

Hi River,

In the movie "Patton" George C. Scott had a line I'll never forget:

"No poor dumb son of a bitch ever won a war by giving his life for his country.

He won it by making the other poor dumb son of a bitch give his life for his country."

I think that line is a great summary of Patton's attitude toward how war should be fought.

Pretty good choice!

YUP!

SOFTEE,

It was the thinnest of the ten...

(My momma never raised no gall-durned eeedeeots!)

A-1 (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:22 pm :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk :shakemitk

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One of the most amusing dangerous books is Clark Kerr’s The Uses of the University. One of the most amusing dangerous books is Clark Kerr’s The Uses of the University.

Of course, public television has sold out to the right-wing. I suppose that is another form of prostitution.

Softee, you mentioned challenging the students. One of the most distressing discoveries I made when I joined the faculty of a state school after teaching at a private college was that it was IMPOSSIBLE to challenge the students. Rather than be challenged, they just dropped the course. If it was a required course, the student would sign up for it again under someone who was reputed NOT to challenge his students. Nowadays, with student evaluation made an important aspect of the professional evaluation of faculty members, they don't DARE challenge the students. I demanded comprehension, rather than a talent for regurgitation from my students. I taught physical science, astronomy, and geology, and I can assert that this approach DOES work in quantitative disciplines as well as behavioural sciences.

Bagoas (imported) wrote: Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:11 pm Softee, you mentioned challenging the students. One of the most distressing discoveries I made when I joined the faculty of a state school after teaching at a private college was that it was IMPOSSIBLE to challenge the students. Rather than be challenged, they just dropped the course. If it was a required course, the student would sign up for it again under someone who was reputed NOT to challenge his students. Nowadays, with student evaluation made an important aspect of the professional evaluation of faculty members, they don't DARE challenge the students. I demanded comprehension, rather than a talent for regurgitation from my students. I taught physical science, astronomy, and geology, and I can assert that this approach DOES work in quantitative disciplines as well as behavioural sciences.

This makes me sad. However, I am certain you are right. Yet, if a student does not appreciate quantitative disciplines, he or she is not educated. Recently, I read a report about students at MIT who had high grades but who could not solve problems that involved the substance of the ideas taught in the coursed where the students had earned the high grade. The students did not recognize the principles inherent in the newly stated problems.

Softee sez...

Blaise (imported) wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:11 pm One of the most amusing dangerous books is Clark Kerr’s The Uses of the University. One of the most amusing dangerous books is Clark Kerr’s The Uses of the University.

Of course, public television has sold out to the right-wing. I suppose that is another form of prostitution.

So, who is getting screwed in this PBS 'Prositutionship', them or US?

I would decry the demise of rigor in college, but I find that mostly it is not more than a terminal case of one-upsmanship on the part of the professors.

I would suggest as a point of Pedagogy Professors are to educate to the best of their ability, not to make them as smart as they are, because in one-upsmanship the object of the game is to see to it that nobody ever gets as smart as you are.

So, I doubt that we will ever have Oxford in the South Pacfic, and the point is to raise the level of awareness of college and university students as much as possible, not to have a pre-conceived notion of how 'things ought to be' to quote the ditto heads...and then sling snot until you get it that way.

All is well with the world, and as bad as things are, they could be a lot worse. We are seeing no more than the game called 'humanity' stumbling along dreaming of immortality with about as much chance of achieving it as faith will allow.

As far as that goes, I agree with Ted Turner about life.

Ted says...

"...life is like a "B" grade movie. You don't want to leave until it is over, but you wouldn't want to see it again..."

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