WeRNotAfraid (imported) wrote: Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:16 pm I have to say, I think all the child molestation and mutilation stories on here are very wrong, and one of the main problems I have in general with the board. Sure, they're just stories.........but what does it say about the person writing it, or reading it and getting off? Normal adults don't fantasize about children being castrated or raped or any of the horrible stuff I came across whilst flipping through the story section (I no longer go there.) People tend to read and enjoy what they are attracted to. I like men, so the porn and erotic stories I enjoy involve men. Moving on from that, my sexual relationships are with men. Now, if you write/read about children......where do you think that will go? From fantasy, where do you take that? I personally worry a great deal about anyone who writes this stuff and has contact with children in any way. It's a short jump from fantasizing about children sexually and acting on it.

To be honest, I think a lot of people I see posting here are probably heading down the wrong path. To me, having castration done because you like pain or injury or want to be tied up and beaten and made into a "slave" sounds stupid at best and downright lethal at worst. For transgendered reasons, it seems to make more sense. However, as adults we are more or less free to decide what we do to our bodies.

When it comes to stuff involving kids, though, I draw the line. For too long I think I've said to myself "well, anything goes here" and "don't judge" but that's stupid. Some things ARE wrong and should be harshly condemned. I hope that those people writing the kiddy porn stories on here, sick though they may be, are able to restain themselves to just writing. However, if any one is acting on any of these impulses......... I hope you get caught, arrested, and may you be thrown into the deepest dungeon and rot there forever. I doubt you'll be missed.

You've apparently judged anyone who might write a castration story about a kid, saying that he is sick and is, at least, a wantabe pedophile. From what I've read in your post, the only kind of stories which should be acceptable here are stories in which someone is castrated voluntarily, either for TG or other personal reasons. All else are sick fantasies. I wonder what literature would be like, had everyone judged authors as you do? Perhaps, we wouldn't have literature. Even the Bible might be too racy

From your point of view, anyone who writes an erotic scene about a kid is a pedophile. Is anyone who writes about rape, a rapist? Is anyone who writes about murder, a murderer? If we accepted your standards, there would certainly be nothing of interest to read on the Archive. That doesn't mean that I approve of all the stories, but no one's asked me for my approval, just as no one has asked you for yours.

Pueros writes about history. In the past, kids were sex objects and were castrated. Should we pretend it never happened? I like to write stories about kids. I write castration stories about kids because-if I post a story on the Archive-someone has to be castrated, or the story won't be posted. It's a requirement of the Archive.

Orson Scott Card, a mainstream Sci-Fi writer, writes mostly about kids. In his stories, kids are killed, and some have been castrated, and some have even had SEX (horrors!) I suppose, even though he's married, a Mormon, and has kids, he must be no better than the ones here who write about kids.

Although I try to include some moral in my stories, I'm not attempting to justify them by that. I don't always like the reaction I receive from some of my readers, who are turned on by what I think should have made them feel sympathy for the kid, but I'm not responsible for how my readers interpret my stories. As I've said before, if an author took all possible reactions by his readers into account before he wrote a story, he would never write anything. I know what my reasons are for writing a particular story.

Despite all the kids I've castrated in my stories, I can assure you I've never castrated either a living or dead child-or an adult. Nor would I want to see any child harmed or be subjected to sex with any adult.

:withstupi What HE said...

I can quote many learned sources regarding the different sexual attitudes of the past, which have in modern times changed largely through the influence of Christian zealots. Such works justify some of my treatments of historical stories posted to eunuch.org but I’ll for now confine myself to just one paraphrased quotation, which refers to pederasty and is extracted from a new biography published in 2004:-

“Homosexual liaisons between men and male adolescents never surprised or shocked most ancients. Like the Greeks, Romans saw nothing wrong with recreational heterosexual or pederastic sex, bisexuality involving both types being considered the norm. If man and boy were willing and mutually respectful partners, the latter, although the passive companion, never felt demeaned but was instead usually flattered by the attentions and desires of the adult.”

“Catallus, who lived in the time of Julius Caesar, often wrote about how boys actually often actively encouraged such relationships. For example, in one poem [106], the poet suggested:

‘If you see an auctioneer parading with some luscious kid,

You can bet the lad’s announcing, “I’m up for the highest bid!”’

I also don't believe that inherent underlying human sexual personas have altered that much over the centuries, despite current public attitudes hypocritically suggesting otherwise.

PUEROS

The best stories capture your attention, perhaps teach you something along the way, and make you feel for the characters no matter what age, shape, gender, etc. after all they are just words, and it is true terrible things are done to children, that is why these stories are important. These stories are being published all the time. Anne Rice wrote about a youth getting casterated with a great deal of intense details in Cry to Heaven, the voices telling the story were all men and she is a married woman who had 2 children, one of which she lost to cancer, so she is not actually some guy getting his rocks off writing these stories.

Currently The Kite Runner by Khaled Hosseini is the top of the best seller's list and in this book boys are rapped several times, infact the main conflict of the story is from a boy watching another boy being rapped by a teen. I highly recommend this book because it tells about what we are as humans, as well as the best book I have read about contempory Afghanistan since reading a few of Pureos' stories set there, and I agree that Pureos is correct in stating that history doesn't really change all that much especially when everything is censored.

Speaking personally, I am always the victim in my stories, never the perpetrator. Never once have I viewed a story about a kid getting hurt through the eyes of a the abuser.

A number of very bad events happened to me as a preteen and a teenager, and in one sense, I never moved beyond them. I was sickened, confused, embarrassed, and above all guilty. In no way do I advocate doing such things to others, and I realise that I have grown up with a warped sexuality, but it really pisses me off to read people here proclaiming smugly - "Well at least I'm less deviant than you!"

For f**ks sake, none of us are here because we're such rational, balanced, well-adjusted human beings okay? It's like in prison, where you see the murderers kill the rapists and the rapists kill the pedophiles. Christ, none of them are wonderful people and we could all do with some serious therapy here okay?

Speaking personally, if it was freely and discreetly available, I'd take it in a second. But in the absence of such, I relive and rework my own youth through stories that re-inforce my position as wholly innocent victim. Why? Because as a kid I always felt I should have been able to stop the things that happened to me, and that in some way, I'd invited the things that happened. Because by the time I hit puberty, I'd already started wanting to inflict pain to my own genitals, and it's only since discovering this archive a few months ago, that I've finally started to realise that this was in response to guilt and humiliation I felt about the events of my life.

So say what you will - I don't deny that I get off on my stories - but I am the victim in everything I read and write, because that's where my empathy lies.

I've always struggled with the dichotomy that on the one hand I enjoy such sick fantasies for myself, and on the other, I value and respect children so highly. I think because, my own head is f**ked, but I also want to protect other kids from a similar fate. Maybe I should reconsider the wisdom of sharing my stories...

I think what we have to ask here, in regards to pyxiii's comment is this:

Does reading and/or writing a story here help you, in any way, shape, or form?

Does it make you feel better?

Do you think it helps you cope, in that you're not out doing something 'real' that might be disastrous to you or someone else?

Do you feel something theraputic?

If yes, then by all means, continue.

If not, then run away...and get help of some kind.

I tend to agree - we all need some kind in some way...and I hope that by having this forum (in all of its incarnations and aspects) that we are in some small way providing just that.

While the people who visit this site could hardly be considered to be mainstream normal-those people have little interest in castration-it doesn't make us necessarily in need of therapy-at least not professional therapy, in which I have little confidence. I have my degree in psychology and I think it's a puesdo science at best-at least when you go beyond behavioral or experimental psychology.

I think writing is good therapy. It gives one the chance to bare his soul. I think any time you write, you're telling YOUR story-or else you're just telling a bunch of lies-and it shows in the story when you do. It's never harmful, from a psychological point of view, to put your thoughts and feelings out where others-and especially YOU-can see them. What's harmful is to keep them hidden-especially FROM yourself. That's when they they can erupt, causing one to act in a harmful manner.

Whether the stories are therapeutic for the readers of them is a question I can't answer. When I first stumbled upon the Archive, I read the stories because they turned me on. My purposes for writing my first stories here were to see if I was capable of writing at all and to see if I could write a story which could turn others on. In the process, I discovered I really enjoyed writing.

pyxiii says he doesn't know whether he should continue to share his stories. I can't answer for him. That's something only he can answer. I would encourage him to keep writing such stories, however, so he can put those feelings out where HE can see them. It's probably beneficial to share them with others. Someone once said that if you shout out all your fears and darkest thoughts from the rooftop, putting them out where everyone can see them, they'll no longer have any control over you. It's like saying, "Here I am. This is what I am. Either accept me as I am-or Fuck you." That's not a bad attitude toward life.

Now, I'm not advocating telling everyone you know about your deepest and darkest thoughts. There too much thought police around-people who would judge you for what you think rather than for what you do, denying that they, themselves, ever have an impure thought. Still, I'd like to do it-climb up on that rooftop and shout. Writing stories is a weaker, safer, version of that.

Exposing one's fears, as Slammr says, is good. "Therapy", if you will call it that.

Not that I agree that we're all insane, which is what my post must have read like.

Apologies.

I myself banished a recurring nightmare I'd had since almost childhood, with the story "For Your Own Good". Since writing it, I've not had the nightmare since.

And yes, it's up to each one of us to decide what is good for us. Obviously, running around out there with a sharp knife isn't a good thing. But perhaps just hanging out here and reading and writing is.

Several other authors and myself have been discussing this by mail, and I've come to the conclusion that cathartic though my writing may be to me, there is a real danger that my words may serve as a how-to manual for others to harm kids.

It's like suicide survivor web rings that drive other vulnerable people to suicide in the name of overcoming the loss of a family member. Is it right for me to cause harm in the interests of personal therapy? I think most definitely not.

You'll see no further stories from me here, and I believe a few of the other talented authors here have expressed their intention to follow a similar resolve.

Freedom of speech is one of man's most precious liberties, and I feel that it can only exist so long as one exercises it responsibly. My regrets for any damage that my warped mind has already caused.

I've followed this thread with interest because it is a sensitive topic.

For what it's worth I think it is valid to explore all aspects of the topic and to do so is beneficial, as indeed this debate here is.

For me the greatest evil is censorship. To have the thought police controlling what we are allowed to read is a greater evil than the offences that censorship is trying to eliminate. Society depends on the vast majority of people being normal and responsible in their behaviour. That permits the police to control those who aren't.

Hence if you live in a society that works you can safely asssume that most people are responsible. Such people are entitle to their opinions and, in my book, their reading should be unfettered by censorship.

Know that the censored societies are going downhill toward totalitarianism. The Third Reich was heavily censored as was the USSR. The old regime in South Africa, rotten to the core, also indulged heavily in censorship. No society can be free if there is censorship.

We all have to be mature enough to tolerate dissenting and distasteful ideas. To suppress them is by far the greater evil.

Kortpeel