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Re: I'm not happy.

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:02 am
by sag111 (imported)
Well so far with all the problems Kemmel dose have i dont recall anyone having to be rushed to the ER because of out of controal bleeding and i have herd that of cutters.So if i was in need of this surgery i would go to Kemmel befor i took my chances with someone that could kill me.

Re: I'm not happy.

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:37 am
by Leona Lee (imported)
🙏 Hi All!I would like to here from some of you about surgical castration from the lower abdomin.I haven't heard much here.They make two bi-lateral cuts in lower abdomin and pull the testicles up through that incision.Although the incision is twice the size,I would think it would be in an easier place to keep sanitary.A little late for Twin though.Any comments?

LOL,Leona :)

Re: I'm not happy.

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 10:05 am
by dl_mooney (imported)
Loana Lee, Mine were removed, First one had been repaired & grew to the side of scrotum,uro Dr had to go throught scrotum to dissect it off, then remove,then know for sure that the last one was removed through the Abdomen,thats what I wanted.No problem other that the prior mentioned poblem in my earlier note. Take Care dl (2 seperate surgerys)

Re: I'm not happy.

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:36 pm
by bigtwin (imported)
wow,hot debate,I will see a local uroligist tomarrow and let you all know what he says.thanx for all the concern,[twin] 🙏

Re: I'm not happy.

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:53 pm
by An Onymus (imported)
This all seems to relate to the issue of how surgeons are trained and qualified, as well as how their assistants are similarly trained and qualified. I was somewhat shocked when a relative who is a physician, told me that a lot of surgical assistants have little or no formal medical training. Some aren't even college graduates.

The good doctor Felix Spector, was trained as an osteopath. The only osteopath with which I have had any association (she was in my high school class) would not even consider doing surgery. So, what are the requirements and qualifications for operating on folks?

Re: I'm not happy.

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:44 pm
by A-1 (imported)
An Onymus,

When operating on a human a license to practice medicine in ones state is all that is needed to keep the law enforcement folk at bay. However, the field is self-policing and if you do not do a good job someone will show up and talk to you. This usually results in the loss of your license to practice medicine. That is for office surgeries. Any botched-up surgeries, and it becomes a matter of negligence and the civil courts. It could be elevated to negligent homicide, if it was stupid enough such as severing an artery that a butcher at the local meat market could have identified..

To operate in a hospital you have to be accepted by the medical staff. The process includes being sponsored by a medical staff member, a credentials review (which had better include a surgery residency), and a vote. Then there might be a period of supervision by a staff physician in the area in which you hope to practice for a period of time.

Now, here's the rub. For you to be a surgical assistant the only need is for the doctor that you are assisting to be physically present with you during the surgery. Of course, a surgical consent would have to have your name on it to be legal.

Now, you understand. Right? 🔨

That's good, because I never have... 🤫

🚬 A-1 🚬

Re: I'm not happy.

Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 8:12 pm
by luvpain (imported)
Well Kimmel definitely had some cross contamination in that case if he left the room and came back without changing gloves. He should also have been wearing a mask.

Anyways I know there were some horror stories from Dr. Spector with a trip to the ER.

The problem with cutters is that you really have no wat to verify how good they are and if they are experienced. Thats why the Archives takes the stance on going to Doctors.

Although I do admit there are cutters out there that do a much sterile and better job then Dr. Kimmel, but they are very deep underground and hard to get a hold of, but the majority of cutters are wannabe with little knowledge or experience that end up butchering things up.

Re: I'm not happy.

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 7:30 am
by Riverwind (imported)
Luvpain, so true,

I also went to Kimmel and I did get an infection which called for a 4 day hospital stay.

However, this was my fault not Dr Kimmels. He gave me the script which I had filled. Luvpain was with me if memory serves. The pills were real nasty smelling and left a bad after taste. When I got home, I took all the medications that I was issued. Two weeks later I was in the hospital with an infection. The hospital gave me a script, I had it filled, opened the bottle, and it was the same thing Kimmel had given. When I got home I looked in my back pack and there stuck at the bottom of my pack was this bottle of pills.

There is no way in the world that I can falut Dr Kimmel for this.

As for a clean op room, I would say Dr Kimmels is about par with all that I have seen, and some hospitals I have seen that were worse.

Stiches, I went to my doctor after a week for him to check everything out, he did pull a couple of stitches and at that time there was no infection, that came 2 weeks later.

I just got my first tattoo, I have always had a problem with tattoo places because I just did not know how clean it was. I must tell you the guy how gave me the tattoo was by far cleaner then any doctors office or hospital.

I cant wait to get my next one.

I guess what I would say to you bigtwin, is that you remember everything you did after the castration. Was there anything you might have missed.

I would still recomend Kimmel, oh and he does have a hospital that he uses for more complex surgeries.

Anyway I am glad you are feeling better.

RW 🙏

Re: I'm not happy.

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:04 am
by luvpain (imported)
Yeah it is defintely wise to take the antibiotics to help ward of infections, I used amoxicillin when I saw the cutter.

The whole idea of the antibiotic is to help the body fight off infection be cause it is surgery and shit happens and just to be safe. Ie accidental cross contamination, air born bacteria (especially if he isn't wearing a mask)

Yeah pierciers and tattoo artist have changed over the years they are required to take classes on blood boor pathogens an sterality, etc. In fact most of the better artist are more sterile then most doctors.

Re: I'm not happy.

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 10:48 am
by SplitDik (imported)
Unfortunately there are a lot of loopholes in the medical licensing process. There are a lot of amazing real cases of doctors who move around from state to state or hospital to hospital, malpracticing everywhere they go. Peer supervision can only go so far as most doctors practice on their own. Hospitals have a bit more to lose (they can be sued), so tend to add some scrutiny to who the allow to practice. But again there are a lot of cases of hospitals accepting doctors that have horrendous track records elsewhere.

In any case, I maintain that significant infection IS NOT TO BE EXPECTED by any properly performed surgical procedure. If the operation is sterile and the closing of the wound is good, infection is not likely to get inside.