Sunny (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:55 pm I hope I can get a little help here, I've been searching the 'extreme body modification' sites and whatnot since I got the gumption to admit to myself I want something like this. I want information for a girl who wants to be a 'eunuch.' I'm not sure that term applies. I've not found any other women who seem to be interested. And a whole host of sites decrying the mutilation of women without their consent, and no information for a woman who is willing.

Welcome to the Archive, Sunny.

I think there are many here that understand your plight. Although it is much easier for the male genitals to be modified, there stands no reason that you should not be able to obtain a similar goal. We do host a transgendered section here on the Archives, but I understand that is not your desire. Most of the members that are transgendered here are male to female. Some of the web links for transgender sites will lead you female to male links as well.

Finding a surgeon (for male castration), is at best, very difficult for the non-transgendered. I can imagine it would be the same for you, or even more difficult, as well. Perhaps persueing a gender councilor would be an option you could consider? At the very least they may offer you another source information or other options you may not have thought about.

Osteoporosis is a concern for a eunuch (as well as depression), but there are ways to help ward it off. Having any issues with depression should be addressed before considering castration. I am unfamiliar with the medications used for chemical castration of a female (my main interest is in male castration/transgendered), but I am sure they are out there. More than likely they would be a prescription medication to which you should be under a doctors care while taking them.

Testosterone (in both sexes) is the main player in sex drive. Males seeking castration are wanting to lower that sex drive. Bear in mind that by removing estrogens, the testosterone will influence one's body. It may in fact masculinize you or make you more aggressive. I would suggest that you get a blood test for hormone levels. It is possible you have a hormonal imbalance.

Whatever you decide to do, I hope you will find some answers here and make a few friends along the way. We are a friendly group and we welcome you.

Christina (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2004 11:27 pm Welcome to the Archive, Sunny.

Osteoporosis is a concern for a eunuch (as well as depression), but there are ways to help ward it off. Having any issues with depression should be addressed before considering castration. I am unfamiliar with the medications used for chemical castration of a female (my main interest is in male castration/transgendered), but I am sure they are out there. More than likely they would be a prescription medication to which you should be under a doctors care while taking them.

Lutenizing Hormone Releasing Hormone agonist. See the hbsoc at http://www.hbigda.org (specifically the section on hormone related interventions in youth).

Christina (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2004 11:27 pm Testosterone (in both sexes) is the main player in sex drive. Males seeking castration are wanting to lower that sex drive. Bear in mind that by removing estrogens, the testosterone will influence one's body. It may in fact masculinize you or make you more aggressive. I would suggest that you get a blood test for hormone levels. It is possible you have a hormonal imbalance.

Cool.

awen

Sunny (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2004 10:57 pm Pardon my pontification. I do encounter a bit of condescension from people who hear me discuss this subject. I know that was not anyone's intent.

We are very sorry about that. This should be a place where you can find camaraderie. And you are by no means alone in the world.

Sunny (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2004 10:57 pm I have read a little on the nature of 'chastity' piercings and things of that nature. It seems to me to be a reasonable alternative for someone who is sexually gratified by the idea of nullification. However, for my purposes, it is rather like hiding something you'd rather just not have at all.

Understood. You are discussing vaginectomy, which is somewhat of a common procedure, but not as common as a penectomy for MtF transsexuals. There are a number of surgeons who do this. A few are listed here:

http://myria.home.mindspring.com/Indigo/ftm.html

Meltzer states:

http://www.tmeltzer.com/procedures/ftm.shtml

"Though not a prerequisite to other procedures, removal of the uterus and ovaries (hysterectomy and oophorectomy) are frequently performed. This can be done vaginally with laparoscopic assistance, or vaginally. The vagina can also be completely removed at the same time or as a separate procedure."

Monstrey in Ghent will perform:

http://www.ftmphallo.com/Monstrey/MonstreyLetter.htm

"An abdominal hysterectomy/ovarectomy, combined with a vaginectomy and a reconstruction of the fixed part of the urethra."

Some of these doctors will also want to create a weenie as well, but phaloplasty is not really required as part of FtM surgery, and most FtM people never have it done. Many stop at the hysterectomy/oophorectomy/vaginectomy stage, about which is what you inquired (note on terminology: oophorectomy is removal of the ovaries).

While I am at it, let me welcome you to the forum. I, too, have had surgery. Three years ago, I had my weenie removed, but at the same time, had vaginoplasty (the creation of that dreaded vagina--the opposite of vaginectomy). However, I do know of a number of people (mostly born male, though) that opt for nullification. I do not see why it would be impossible for you--many FtM people achieve these very same surgeries.

Hugs,

Kelly

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Kelly_2 (imported) wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2004 6:35 am . Understood. You are discussing vaginectomy, which is somewhat of a common procedure, but not as common as a penectomy for MtF transsexuals.

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"Though not a prerequisite to other procedures, removal of the uterus and ovaries (hysterectomy and oophorectomy) are frequently performed. This can be done vaginally with laparoscopic assistance . . .. The vagina can also be completely removed at the same time or as a separate procedure."

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Some of these doctors will also want to create a weenie as well, but phaloplasty is not really required as part of FtM surgery, and most FtM people never have it done. Many stop at the hysterectomy/oophorectomy/vaginectomy stage, about which is what you inquired .

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Hugs,

Kelly :)I don't really understand why a ftm would desire to have a weenie that can only be used for peeing given the complexity of the surgery. It is certainly not as functional as the mtf vagina.

Interesting that breast removal hasn't been mentioned in this thread. Albeit, the only thing I can remember reading about it, as an adjunct to desexing, was a passage about a Skopt ceremony in which the breasts were put through a sheet with two holes in it, and then excised. (I think. This was in Tompkins' book.)

Historically, some women who were placed in harems in the Middle East, were subjected to removal of the ovaries. I presume this was to prevent the birth of individuals who might compete with favored heirs for an inherited title or for inherited wealth.

I have encountered a few women that have talked about nulification in this manner so, you are not all by yourself. I don't think that any of them have gone any further than talking, but I found their interest to be sincere. My hope for you is the same as for any of us: that you have the chance to explore the depths of your own needs and motivations. And to be content within yourself. FLO

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Sunny (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:55 pm I want something like this. I want information for a girl who wants to be a 'eunuch.'

As a woman, you are more fortunate in this respect. As long as you have only tiny breasts, all you really require is a hysterectomy to remove your uterus. That will stop your periods and eliminate any possibility of becomming pregnant. If your breasts are large you might want them reduced. Also, hysterectomy and breast reduction can legally be performed by licensed medical doctors without psychoanalysis.

If you have your ovaries removed there will a possibility of developing osteoporosis and some masculine traits. Do you really want that?

There is really no need to have your vagina removed. It is not seen unless you spread your legs and separate your labia. Also, it does not have to be used just because it is there.

Kelly_2

Thank you! Those links are very useful. If the surgeons listed would be willing to assist with someone not interested in becoming male, I may have found exactly what I was looking for.

Uncle Flo

I appreciate both the hopes you're willing to share with me, and the assurance that I am not alone. Thank you.

Mac

I don't know that being female makes my desire any easier than a male's would be, as the invasive nature of these operations makes doctors unlikely to proceed with them without a medical necessity. The difficult for anyone interested in nullification is finding qualified, and willing surgeons. Precisely why I'm so delighted with the help of Kelly_2. As for your claim that a vaginectomy is not needed, I would argue that no one here, of any gender, is interested in nullification because of the visibilty or appearance of their genitals. The fact that I do not often see my vaginal column does not lessen my desire to be without it.

Sunny,

If it sealed off, and it can be, it would be the same as not having it. Just a thought. Good luck on your quest.

A-1

Sunny, pardon me if this is too personal or painful to answer, I don't mean be inappropriate, but as you said, this is the forum for these kinds of discussions... were you ever raped or violated sexually?