Castration 101

Hi folks. Yes gather together, class is assembled.

Lets look at reality about castration.

1) Once they are gone, they are gone and will never come back.

2) No matter how much the experienced advise the novice,

they will never listen.

3) After castration you will not feel too good no matter what you think you can handle.

4) You will have to deal with health issues afterwards.

5) Rule number 3 is always correct.

Safe, medically done by a real doctor in a real surgical theatre is the only way a castration should be done, but do not think you will be going back to work the next day.

tal

class dismissed.

Whether or not regretting it is nonproductive, once depression sets in ... regretting is probably inevitable and unstoppable. People with depression do not necessarily act rationally, and they are not as likely to be able to keep their thought from "nonproductive initiatives".

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I'll leave you with one last thought ... Most of those that regret castration are not on this board. You will never know their stories. Some are no longer living. They found being a eunuch was a living hell. There is no way to tell you their stories. There is no way for them to warn you. You cannot know their number. You may even become one of them. Take this as a warning.Very true. Those stories would be very helpful here.

Paolo wrote: Mon Dec 15, 2003 9:44 am One key factor in determining the regret issue is the disappearance, either gradual or abrupt, of online contacts from the Message Boards, Chat Room, Instant Messengers, or even telephone contact for those more intimately involved. It's certainly not the only signal, but it's usually the first one. It's a pretty safe bet that when you have a Contact that is around for a while, active on the Internet in whatever form, or as a good online friend, that his seeming to vanish from human ken is your main clue that he regrets what he did. When this happens, it's doubtful that you'll ever hear from them again.

And after re-reading this, an awful thought came into my mind. We haven't heard from The Fraj for a long time. I do hope this is because he is just busy with life.

Just a brief response to Andrew's question about TheFraj:

I talk with him frequently on the telephone and occasionally talk with his parents as well. He graduated from the honors program in his field at the university and now has a temporary (but full-time) job while looking for something in his field. The job market may be even worse in Britain than in the U.S.

TheFraj regrets his castration but has come to terms with the decision that he made. His anti-depressants seem to be working well and I'm trying to get him to begin HRT. We have gone over Andrew's list of health concerns several times.

I have a business trip that will take me near his home in July, and we are making plans to see each other in person then.

JesusA (imported) wrote: Wed Dec 24, 2003 11:21 am TheFraj regrets his castration but has come to terms with the decision that he made. His anti-depressants seem to be working well and I'm trying not to get him to begin HRT. We have gone over Andrew's list of health concerns several times

I hope you have noticed that I have revised the list to put Depression as the #1 concern, replacing osteoporosis.

I have to wonder if the desire for castration, along with the dissatisfaction which engenders it, might, in itself, be a symptom of depression in some people. As someone who has never experienced clinical depression or had the desire for castration, I have difficulty understanding how thoughts of those types can take over someone's mind. At the same time, I grew up in somewhat unusual circumstances in which I never came to take for granted, a lot of the things that most people take for granted. Because of that, I think I am able, to a greater degree than most individuals, to look at society as an observer who is detached from it. And what I see, is, in my view, a horror of relentless pressures that people put on each other, to accept self-concepts and relationship patterns, which have no relationship to nature or to "necessity," and which are actually there only to facilitate the manipulation of individuals by other persons. Perhaps, in some people, the desire for castration is a reaction to the nonsensical pressures which are constantly applied to them, or that desire is simply the consequences of mental distortion caused by those pressures. In any case, the educational system and other institutions, do a poor job of helping people to understand themselves, and to take a balanced view of things, which might help to counteract the tendency to obsessive thinking. I do think that, in an intellectual sense, the desire for castration has the positive feature of expressing a rejection of distorted sex roles.

Merry Christmas, and have a happy new year!

JesusA (imported) wrote: Wed Dec 24, 2003 11:21 am Just a brief response to Andrew's question about TheFraj:

I talk with him frequently on the telephone and occasionally talk with his parents as well. He graduated from the honors program in his field at the university and now has a temporary (but full-time) job while looking for something in his field. The job market may be even worse in Britain than in the U.S.

TheFraj regrets his castration but has come to terms with the decision that he made. His anti-depressants seem to be working well and I'm trying not to get him to begin HRT. We have gone over Andrew's list of health concerns several times.

I have a business trip that will take me near his home in July, and we are making plans to see each other in person then.

Why advocate no Testosterone? If he regrets his castration and depression is an issue, what are you proposing?

More drugs in his system that are not natural? Fix a problem with drugs?

And I don't consider hormones to be drugs. Testosterone replacement therapy is an attempt to get the human hormones in balance. HRT (Testosterone in this case), is about the best we can do to replace this hormone. Now it is not the end all as many chemical reactions are missing from injectable or patch administration of Testosterone but its the best we know.

Drugs to me are chemicals not normally found in the human body. Are his anti-depressants naturally found in the human body?

Robby

PS. Just wondering what your thought process is in determining said agenda.

An Onymus (imported) wrote: Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:48 pm I do think that, in an intellectual sense, the desire for castration has the positive feature of expressing a rejection of distorted sex roles.

Merry Christmas, and have a happy new year!

Has this thought ever crossed your mind: Male desire for castration is a form of self punishment for an ill advised deed from one's past?

Just wondering...

Robby

Robby,

You've caught me in a clear TYPO. I usually write all of my posts off-line and proofread them before posting. This one I just dashed off quickly.

The British National Health Service is VERY reluctant to prescribe anything that costs money. TheFraj and his mother (with a lot of pressure from me and others) fought long and hard to get the anti-depressant prescribed. It took months of effort.

The doctor refused HRT as unnecessary. I've been arguing about every other time I call for TheFraj to push his doctor a bit harder. At his young age, he will definitely need to worry about osteoporosis. He is already concerned about gynecomastia and weight gain. (He's at that age where pizza and beer with friends are more important than exercise and diet.)

TheFraj's doctor even refused to believe that there was any connection between testosterone loss and osteoporosis until TheFraj referred him to some of the medical literature. This one is a battle that he's still fighting.

I apologize for the typo.

Is that where you get wooden teeth?