• Oedipus Altered

Posted: **Sun Jan 04, 2004 10:10 pm**

I am surprised and disappointed by what you are saying - that my feelings and their representation in fantasy are unwelcome here at the Archive. I had always thought the Archive was a refuge from the puckered morality of right-thinking people, and a place where I could relax in the company of my fellow madmen and freaks, whom I love, and who are the best people, now and always. I had thought that the pain of being different had taught acceptance and tolerance. When I saw hundreds of stories climaxing in violent castration, I doubted that anything I might write would cause righteous clucking among these feeling people. The Oedipal drama is as old as the writings of Freud, now well over a century. I had thought it had long outlived its ability to shock; that the United States in 2003 was not Belle Epoque Vienna. I am greatly disappointed.

Very well. Please set out the rules for the Archive in writing. I would like to read what will offend correct sensibilities and what will pass. Please publish a Code so that all may see which feelings are to be expressed and which not. After all, the Eunuch Archive should not publish anything on so unseemly a subject as castration, unless it be antiseptic and medical. Those of us for whom castration is emotional rather than physical should be banished to our respective prisons of circumspection.

But I warn you it is my greatest pleasure to outrage pecksniff moralists. Damn all censors!

Posted: **Sun Jan 04, 2004 10:22 pm**

bobov (imported) wrote: Sun Jan 04, 2004 10:10 pm I am surprised and disappointed by what you are saying - that my feelings and their representation in fantasy are unwelcome here at the Archive. I had always thought the Archive was a refuge from the puckered morality of right-thinking people, and a place where I could relax in the company of my fellow madmen and freaks, whom I love, and who are the best people, now and always. I had thought that the pain of being different had taught acceptance and tolerance. When I saw hundreds of stories climaxing in violent castration, I doubted that anything I might write would cause righteous clucking among these feeling people. The Oedipal drama is as old as the writings of Freud, now well over a century. I had thought it had long outlived its ability to shock; that the United States in 2003 was not Belle Epoque Vienna. I am greatly disappointed.

Very well. Please set out the rules for the Archive in writing. I would like to read what will offend correct sensibilities and what will pass. Please publish a Code so that all may see which feelings are to be expressed and which not. After all, the Eunuch Archive should not publish anything on so unseemly a subject as castration, unless it be antiseptic and medical. Those of us for whom castration is emotional rather than physical should be banished to our respective prisons of circumspection.

But I warn you it is my greatest pleasure to outrage pecksniff moralists. Damn all censors!

I am not in any position of authority on this board, and I'm certain that some of my stories offend some people. I'm just suggesting that you consider that Paolo HAS to read whatever story you post. He has said that he would rather not see such a story, but that's between you and him. He's the story moderator-not I.

Posted: **Mon Jan 05, 2004 12:00 am**

Personally, I prefer stories that depict castration used to enhance one's life, not to destroy it.

Posted: **Mon Jan 05, 2004 9:05 am**

bobov (imported) wrote: Sun Jan 04, 2004 5:23 pm tramp007, I am fully responsible for my actions and words. As it says in the bible, "judge not, lest you be judged." You might also think about the nature of imaginative literature and fantasy.

Thanks for your good wishes.

P.S. You might share with us a story outline of your own, but please make sure it's "responsible."

I don't have any doubt of that Bobov and as Ive stated elsewhere at E.A. Ive never been concerned how others judge me.

However Im not intending to make a judgment of you or your works. I guess I made a knee jerk response to your story line when I first read it, and then thought to myself hey I didnt mean to insult the guy.

My observation of E.A. is that here we move the goal posts from the centre line to however far we (the individual) feels comfortable with. I re-acted in a way that I see now shows me that I thought the storyline moved the posts too far away from what I imagine the E.A centre line to be. So it appears that it will be up to you and the evil overlord.

If you post the story here I will still read and perhaps comment on it if only for the controversy it has invoked.

Like many a great writer you have managed to stir the emotions and provoke the minds of others to greater depth of thought.

All the best with it, Cheers, Tramp.

Posted: **Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:19 pm**

Thanks, Tramp.

Slammr and happousai, I'm not indifferent to other's feelings, especially if they're not indifferent to mine. Will you all submit story proposals to me and cancel those that I don't like? If every Archive member has a veto over every other member's writings, how will anything be published at all? Do you imagine that your own ideas will please absolutely everyone?

I respect Paolo and feel grateful for his extraordinary contributions. Paolo may like or dislike anything submitted here, as may anyone, but I am sure that, as a leader of this community, he is committed to the spirit of openness and tolerance that makes EA a special place.

Posted: **Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:56 pm**

bobov (imported) wrote: Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:19 pm Paolo may like or dislike anything submitted here, as may anyone, but I am sure that, as a leader of this community, he is committed to the spirit of openness and tolerance that makes EA a special place.

Thank you.

And believe me, if I canned everything that I didn't like, there wouldn't be much for anyone to look at. I follow the guidelines in the sticky post listed above in the thread headings. I wrote them; I adhere to them. And for the record, I'm a bit loose in adhering to them.

Sometimes I actually have a heart and cave in and clean up stuff instead of just trashing it!

As I said, I simply get tired of gore, violence, snuff, mean-and-nastiness.

All I'm getting at is this: is it too damn much to ask for, to see a happy ending once in while?!

Posted: **Mon Jan 05, 2004 4:13 pm**

Paolo, thanks for your tolerance. You've got a tough job, and you do it very well. Thank you.

If I can find any happy endings, I'll certainly share them.

Posted: **Mon Jan 05, 2004 4:16 pm**

They ripped his balls off, and he lived happily ever after. The end.

Posted: **Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:09 am**

bobov (imported) wrote: Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:19 pm Thanks, Tramp.

Slammr and happousai, I'm not indifferent to other's feelings, especially if they're not indifferent to mine. Will you all submit story proposals to me and cancel those that I don't like? If every Archive member has a veto over every other member's writings, how will anything be published at all? Do you imagine that your own ideas will please absolutely everyone?

I respect Paolo and feel grateful for his extraordinary contributions. Paolo may like or dislike anything submitted here, as may anyone, but I am sure that, as a leader of this community, he is committed to the spirit of openness and tolerance that makes EA a special place.

I personally don't care what you write. I don't have to read it, if I don't wish. The only reason I posted a reply was because of Paolo's response to the story idea, and because I had written a story before that had a similar outcome. When Paolo hesitated to post it I was offended that he might not post one of MY stories. Now, however, I don't post a story that I think would disgust or offend him, not because of fear of Paolo's reaction, but because of my respect for him-and because I know he would be forced to read it. There are many story ideas. I don't have to choose one that I know will disgust or offend the moderator, even though he would probably post it.

Do what you want. Whether your story is posted or not is up to Paolo, not me. I've discovered that EA will probably survive even if I never write another story. It would probably survive either the presence or absence of of the story you mentioned.

Posted: **Tue Jan 06, 2004 8:31 am**

Yes, EA will survive either the absence, or the presence. But ... almost everything here violates "normal" standards of propriety. If people at EA began censoring themselves for fear of giving offense, it would probably be the most meaningful material that would be lost. If only tidy smiley-faced stories suitable for the Reader's Digest appeared here, I think that really would be the end of EA. In practice, it makes no difference whether censorship is externally imposed or self-imposed. "Good taste" is the enemy of both art and science. I fully support the standards that Paolo has posted. I hope you do too.

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