I have the Klinerfelter syndrome, which means that I NOT had that much testosteron in my balls all since puberty. So at 2001 i tried to have patshes at first. The alcohol in that did get me an allergic reaktion, had to stop. Then I took testo inj. of 150 mg / 14 days.

When the Testogel (Androgel in USA) comes to Sweden, my doc told me to try that instead. It works very good for me.

I was castr. 27 Nov 2003, course of my tiny balls (made of klinefelter syndrome). And have taken Testogel 50 mg / day all since then.

Every doses are 50 mg but 5 g of testosterone.

I dont regreat my castr at all. ----- It was the best I ever had done!

Hi! Your Doc can tell you. I use the androderm patch which is a 5mg day 24/7. I also switch off to the androderm gel whic is 4.5 mgs a day 24/7. I sometimes use nothing for like 3 or 4 months at a time. My wife decides when Im to aggressive and when I am she lesens the dose or takes it away. Also there is a lot of info on the net about your age and how much you should have in your body. good luck my friend. Scottie

babyboy (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 16, 2005 3:14 pm >I am younger than you - early teens. <

Then come back to EA when you're 18, son.

Thanks for reading!

Sorry, but rules are rules.

Paolo

This one's kinda confusing, I don't know why he said early teens, his profile indicates he is 18 this year, but what month is unknown.

Charlieje (imported) wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2003 4:52 pm I took HRT for about a year, then stopped again. I mean, really, why on earth would anyone submit to castration, only to take HRT?

"Submit" to castration? Not all willing eunuchs are submissive, buddy... I went to great effort to get myself castrated, fully intending to take hormones all along. I did it because I like being male, I just didn't care for testicles...and I'm not the only one who feels that way; I've corresponded with several other guys who feel similarly to me.

As for people who don't plan to go on HRT but end up doing so - this "calm" business you guys mention all the time is entirely subjective. When I had no testosterone, "calm" is the opposite of what I felt - I was depressed, tired, and angry a lot; little things that normally wouldn't bug me in the slightest would piss me off big time. I never felt like going out or doing anything because I was so damn tired all the time, and while it wasn't a suicidal or pathological sort of depression, I got just kinda down a lot more than I normally would have. Most younger castrated men I've spoken with have had similar experiences with testosterone deprivation; it sucks.

Going purely from my experience and the people I've talked to, age seems to be the big factor in that. I'd be inclined to chalk it up to lower hormone levels in older men - it's like withdrawal; if you're not addicted it's not a big deal, but when you're body is used to a count of 600 or whatever, the sudden drop to 200 or lower is not fun, and even after several months or years of testosterone deprivation, for a lot of guys, it doesn't get any better.

Zoroaster (imported) wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:45 am "Submit" to castration? Not all willing eunuchs are submissive, buddy... I went to great effort to get myself castrated, fully intending to take hormones all along. I did it because I like being male, I just didn't care for testicles...and I'm not the only one who feels that way; I've corresponded with several other guys who feel similarly to me.

As for people who don't plan to go on HRT but end up doing so - this "calm" business you guys mention all the time is entirely subjective. When I had no testosterone, "calm" is the opposite of what I felt - I was depressed, tired,.. Most younger castrated men I've spoken with have had similar experiences with testosterone deprivation; it sucks.....

I was ingesting testosterone from external sources prior to castration - hypogonadic. As explained on this board on several occasions, there were major problems most of my life with extremely tight balls living most of the time in my inguinal canals and resultant infections of the epididymis. Scar tissue eventually clogged the vascular and other vessels supplying testosterone to my blood stream. That scar tissue was also a cause of fairly constant and chronic pain. They became so sensitive that they couldn't even be touched. So...off they came. The solution was recommended in my early 20s. I lived w/ the pain 'til my mid-50s. No regrets, either with living with the pain as long as I could, or with now being ballless.

OTOH, and as in the case of many others, I never had any intention of living without testosterone. I was w/o energy prior to commencing HRT, and that's not something that a very active guy readily accepts. I'll be ingesting it as long as I can.

I'll agree with Z. on this one - I have never been, without the help of drugs and/or alcohol, calm. I have always had an explosive and sometimes violent temper that was only exacerbated by the bout of hormone production failure that I went through some years ago. I haven't been able to find a doctor lately (since the Loopy Arab retired) that even knows what a testosterone count is - much less be willing to do one.

I am sure my testicles are putting out something, but it isn't much of anything, judging from the intervals between erections and having to shave and the amount of what drips out when I can masturbate.

I had a 30-day trial round of HRT, pill form, with a liver check before and after. Note to anyone who considers pills - one month maximum. Any yellowing anywhere, or pains on the right side, weird bowel functions, then stop. To summarize that, by the end of the month, I was a monster! HRT may be right for some, but obviously not all. That, and it made me sicker than a dog with the anxiety it set off.

I've never touched the stuff since, but I can say that I am anything BUT calm.

HRT is a decision that only YOU can make for yourself, and like a new car, you won't know if you like it until you drive it.

Sometimes I get all confused about who says what here. I think it's great that you wanted to and that you do use HRT. I do to at times. I think the word is in balance for me anyway. Everyone here are freemen and can do and believe and paractice what they want. God bless you! scottie

My advice as a prepubertal eunuchoid, possibly a Klinefelter's case with something else besides, now middle-aged, who has never taken testosterone, and who has researched in some considerable detail as to its effects: KEEP AWAY FROM THE EVIL STUFF! Avoid it like the plague! If you are a prepubertal eunuchoid or naturally-born eunuch, count yourself blessed, and stay that way. I personally have never seen, and cannot find, any genuine need for it.

Androgens generally brutalize the body by means of deposition of unnecessary protein and cartilage and bone, being an "endocrinological rape", making a person more susceptible to prostate cancer, liver cirrhosis and cancer, many other types of cancers, arteriosclerosis, impaired immune function, degenerative behavior, excess libido, and manic compulsive obsessions. Testosterone "hijacks" or corrupts many physiological functions, e.g. making bone deposition and psychological moods dependent on it, hence the effects often noted when adult ordinary men are castrated. That the average man lives perfectly well for 14 or so years without significant levels of it shows how unnecessary the stuff is. It is supposed to be necessary for maturation of sperm in reproduction, but eunuchoid cases like Michael Jackson, who fathered two children, clearly show that average mens' testosterone levels are VERY FAR in excess of that needed for fertility. The levels of androgens secreted by the adrenals (between 4% and 10% of average testicular) would be quite sufficient for the purpose. The excessive testosterone levels secreted by the testicles are an unfortunate result of evolutionary natural selection, which in all mammals and birds favored males with high testosterone levels, and are quite unnecessary in this day-and-age.

So-called "normal" male puberty, caused by testosterone especially in the presence of high levels of HGH, constitutes a most terrible and unnecessary disfigurement. Such things as: the horribly enlarged and deformed and lowered larynx (which starts off in its first stages with inflammation of and extra blood vessels in the vocal cords, the only stage at which it can be completely reversed) with protruding "Adam's apple", coarse and inflexible voice (the "broken" quality of which is due to the thickened vocal cords touching), the ugly beard which in an average ordinary man comprises about 16,000 extremely thick and very uncomfortable hairs extending right down the throat and requiring frequent shaving (I am glad I have never had to shave), other gross body hair which is unpleasant in appearance and uncomfortable especially if it accidentally gets pulled, roughened and thickened and sometimes scaly skin, greatly increased predisposition to seborrhea and acne and dandruff caused by skin bacteria and fungi, in many cases baldness especially if testosterone levels are high, in many cases enlarged knee joints, often excessive musculature the use of which gives a liability to tearing of tendons which cannot cope with it, and greatly enlarged genitals which constitute an injury hazard, can only be described as gross disfigurements and disadvantages. They clearly far outweigh any possible disadvantages of eunuchism.

Because the physical effects of testosterone are all in protein and calcium containing tissues, such as cartilage, bone, muscle tissue, and skin, they are extremely difficult, time-consuming, and costly to reverse by means of drugs and surgery and hair electrolysis, if this were to be desired, and even then reversal could never be complete. It is not as if the effects were almost all on fat deposition, as is the case with estrogens in females.

Any so-called "doctors" who suggest, prescribe, or administer testosterone or similar androgenic steroids, or gonadotropins to cause its secretion, are just damned sadistic quacks like "Dr" Mengele, out to make a fast and very sick buck, and should be sacked and subjected to malpractice complaints. The stuff, in my opinion, has really NO legitimate use whatsoever in medicine, because of what it does as described above.

I have been a eunuch for a year now and chemicaley castrated for two years befor that and i dont ever want testosterone again.I do take hormones though but i take premarin and that seams to keep me mellow the way i like my life to be.Just remember though we are all diffrent.

John W. (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:25 pm My advice as a prepubertal eunuchoid, possibly a Klinefelter's case with something else besides, now middle-aged, who has never taken testosterone, and who has researched in some considerable detail as to its effects: KEEP AWAY FROM THE EVIL STUFF! Avoid it like the plague! If you are a prepubertal eunuchoid or naturally-born eunuch, count yourself blessed, and stay that way. I personally have never seen, and cannot find, any genuine need for it.

Androgens generally brutalize the body by means of deposition of unnecessary protein and cartilage and bone, being an "endocrinological rape", making a person more susceptible to prostate cancer, liver cirrhosis and cancer, many other types of cancers, arteriosclerosis, impaired immune function, degenerative behavior, excess libido, and manic compulsive obsessions. Testosterone "hijacks" or corrupts many physiological functions, e.g. making bone deposition and psychological moods dependent on it, hence the effects often noted when adult ordinary men are castrated. That the average man lives perfectly well for 14 or so years without significant levels of it shows how unnecessary the stuff is. It is supposed to be necessary for maturation of sperm in reproduction, but eunuchoid cases like Michael Jackson, who fathered two children, clearly show that average mens' testosterone levels are VERY FAR in excess of that needed for fertility. The levels of androgens secreted by the adrenals (between 4% and 10% of average testicular) would be quite sufficient for the purpose. The excessive testosterone levels secreted by the testicles are an unfortunate result of evolutionary natural selection, which in all mammals and birds favored males with high testosterone levels, and are quite unnecessary in this day-and-age.

John W.. You have just provided a good rendition, also contained in a related thread that's touched on castration of early post- and pre-pubertal castration and its benefits, of many of the reasons that normal men might consider castration. While there are many men here and many eunuchs and castrates who wish not to be exposed to any more testosterone than that supplied by the adrenal glands, there are others that think they can benefit from at least small or moderate doses. I've functioned as a normal male - sexually active and the father of 2 kids - with likely half or less of the testosterone I would have received had I not had a major testicular injury at age 12 and had scar tissue not developed in my epididymis to block the conveyance of testosterone into the blood stream. It can be argued that I benefitted from having less. I had less body hair and generally looked younger than others my age. I also had less musculature, which might be considered either better or worse.

The point is that I had more than the arenal glands produce. Having less than average only became problematic when it became significantly less, and I was diagnosed as hypogonadic. That was more than a statistical fact. It was associated with lethargy and loss of energy and fat accumulation. It's up to individuals, assisted by their docs, to decide what is good for themselves. Pharmaceuticals, such as propecia or finastrade, apparently operate by moderating testosterone production, and these and other substances may thus be used by individuals to reduce excessive production. I now do a moderate dose of AndroGel and find it beneficial.