WheelyCurious wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:17 pm Why did reading this give me a detached feeling?? Much better than the other AI efforts that have been posted here.

WheelyCurious

What other AI efforts have you seen?

AI's, at this point, are only able to generate content based on guidance from the author. Put another way, the author has to give it an input to work from.

On that point I'd say it is an original work of the author aided by AI to help it along. The author has to create the environment, and then has to decide if they like the output or need to change it in any way. On the one hand I can see this being an incredible help, on the other I can see where some people would want an author to reveal an AI helped them.

I on the other hand will be interested to see what can be created by authors with the assistance of AI. I think it will help them significantly create worlds with a lot more vibrancy than they might be able to capture on their own. On the other hand, AI's do not like to handle adult topics, and will most definitely push you away from writing erotic stories unless you brow-beat them/fool them into doing it.

It seems we'll never get this Victorian/puritanical BS out of our society. There are so many people out there who love to be all aghast at the fact people have fantasy lives and are intersted in sex, continually outraged that people want to get pleasure from their bodies. My theory is these people who are so offended are mostly likely the same people who are maintaining a wide stance as they suck dicks in airport bathroom stalls, as their own guilty pleasure.

Losethem (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:43 am What other AI efforts have you seen?

AI's, at this point, are only able to generate content based on guidance from the author. Put another way, the author has to give it an input to work from.

On that point I'd say it is an original work of the author aided by AI to help it along. The author has to create the environment, and then has to decide if they like the output or need to change it in any way. On the one hand I can see this being an incredible help, on the other I can see where some people would want an author to reveal an AI helped them.

I on the other hand will be interested to see what can be created by authors with the assistance of AI. I think it will help them significantly create worlds with a lot more vibrancy than they might be able to capture on their own. On the other hand, AI's do not like to handle adult topics, and will most definitely push you away from writing erotic stories unless you brow-beat them/fool them into doing it.

It seems we'll never get this Victorian/puritanical BS out of our society. There are so many people out there who love to be all aghast at the fact people have fantasy lives and are intersted in sex, continually outraged that people want to get pleasure from their bodies. My theory is these people who are so offended are mostly likely the same people who are maintaining a wide stance as they suck dicks in airport bathroom stalls, as their own guilty pleasure.

I’m the one on the otherside of the bathroom stall. Hope that’s ok lol

Losethem (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:43 am What other AI efforts have you seen?

There were a couple previous threads posted on AI not that long ago, I believe the stories were posted in there, I don't have the links to it handy...

Losethem (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:43 am AI's, at this point, are only able to generate content based on guidance from the author. Put another way, the author has to give it an input to work from.

Agreed, though how much input is needed is debatable... I subscribe to a computer security email list (Cryptogram) put out by Bruce Schneier, a top expert in the field. He had one of the AI engines write a 500 word paper on the security problems of AI impersonations "In the style of Bruce Schneier"... The result didn't say anything new, but it sounded something like he would have written. The key thing is that he didn't give it any other input beyond whatever was in the model.

Losethem (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:43 am On that point I'd say it is an original work of the author aided by AI to help it along. The author has to create the environment, and then has to decide if they like the output or need to change it in any way. On the one hand I can see this being an incredible help, on the other I can see where some people would want an author to reveal an AI helped them.

I'd agree on the authorship, but the question could be asked about how much difference there is between being assisted by an AI bot, and an old fashioned 'ghost writer' IMHO either should be properly attributed...

There is also a LOT of controversy (and more than a few lawsuits) in the software world about the AI's producing code that is plagiarized from other author's work, w/o attribution, and w/ licensing stripped (which violates the license in most cases) I've also heard questions raised about how much they may be cribbing w/o permissions from other authors in general writing

Losethem (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:43 am I on the other hand will be interested to see what can be created by authors with the assistance of AI. I think it will help them significantly create worlds with a lot more vibrancy than they might be able to capture on their own. On the other hand, AI's do not like to handle adult topics, and will most definitely push you away from writing erotic stories unless you brow-beat them/fool them into doing it.

I'd agree about the potential for enhanced vibrancy, and the commercial models trying to avoid erotica. OTOH I remember reading some fairly technical articles recently saying that some of the open / free models getting to the point where they were at least as good as (if not better) than the commercial ones... I wonder if one would get better results / less resistance using one of those open models. Supposedly the open models allow you to modify the 'rules' so it should be possible to remove the erotica blocks...

Losethem (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:43 am It seems we'll never get this Victorian/puritanical BS out of our society. There are so many people out there who love to be all aghast at the fact people have fantasy lives and are intersted in sex, continually outraged that people want to get pleasure from their bodies. My theory is these people who are so offended are mostly likely the same people who are maintaining a wide stance as they suck dicks in airport bathroom stalls, as their own guilty pleasure.

Agreed, but we sort of need those folks to keep the Capitol Steps employed - if our social and political leaders ever learned to keep their pants zipped, they'd lose 80% of their material.... Though unfortunately it appears they are yet another casualty of COVID....

WheelyCurious

I just found the thread w/ the previous AI efforts

http://forums.eunuch.org/showthread.php ... post313726

WheelyCurious

AI does not give us new information about a person and his feelings.

It's pretty clear that this is just a mechanical compilation...

It is interesting to read only what the writer reports about his real adventures or desires!

I like to empathize and care about people, especially if it's an autobiographical story.

The volume of the text is not important, the context is important, what thoughts it causes in the reader.

Of course, AI helps to avoid many grammatical errors and makes good translations...

(I did not mean real artistic, but mechanical literal translations, which the reader must then correct in his head).

rogerwpbfl (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 2:08 pm I’m the one on the otherside of the bathroom stall. Hope that’s ok lol

Wait?!?! That was you?

Wait?!?! That was you?

You would have no doubt if you had ever met Ranger LOLOL

rogerwpbfl (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:05 am You would have no doubt if you had ever met Ranger LOLOL

I know I'd love to meet Ranger sometime and give him the attention he deserves, but his owner is very straight so I know that has to remain a nice thought and nothing more.

Nobody's perfect, LT.

Losethem (imported) wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:40 am I know I'd love to meet Ranger sometime and give him the attention he deserves, but his owner is very straight so I know that has to remain a nice thought and nothing more.

Ranger has wandered to the wild side once or twice. In settings such as the aforementioned, it’s easy to imagine he’s not crossing any borders but I’ve noticed the skill and enthusiasm of the giver gives it away.