Losethem (imported) wrote: Sun Nov 27, 2022 3:52 pm While I hope this is a reasonable and truthful thread, if it's a fantasy, Racalonk should admit it sooner rather than later.

I've seen folks come here in the past that had been researching things well ahead of going public here, so I suppose anything is possible, but this situation is capturing my attention as something which seems like a stretch.

I guess we'll find out shortly after January 17, 2023, what the case is.

Indeed we did our research for the past two years and in our search somebody gave us this site, that's why we joined a fortnight ago.

We were told that this forum is openminded and people understand the issues that come with making choices. Nullification is IMHO one of the biggest taboos, people just can't understand the choice of nullification and the decision to have a sexless life. Where I would like to say that the life we led for the past years didn't have physical sex but I'm sure that our life's are far more intimate then others might even dream of having.

I find it disappointing that some question our decision and blame us of fantasm, it's outrageous that on a forum that's supposed to give support these comments are given.

I'm sure fantasy stories might be similar to our story where the story is simple, you get surgery and lose your genitals. Just simple as that.

I appreciate that for some it might be a difficult path often the main obstacle is finances. We were fortunate to have had a successful business which we sold 4 years ago and since then comfortably retired. We can pay for the surgery and do 't have the hassle with health insurance.

Honestly we don't really care whether you believe our decision for the simple fact that it is ours to make, we're not doing it for you guys. We don't have to and will not explain our decision to anyone.

If you want to see us as having to much fantasy that's on you. If you can't understand then just admire. I sincerely hope that the next person that makes this decision will have a warmer and more understanding reception.

Please don't be offended by some skepticism.

We all wish you all the best in making your dreams come true!

Maybe some are a little jealous that they can no longer carry out such a modification with themselves again...?

Racalonk (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:22 am Honestly we don't really care whether you believe our decision for the simple fact that it is ours to make, we're not doing it for you guys. We don't have to and will not explain our decision to anyone.

If you want to see us as having to much fantasy that's on you. If you can't understand then just admire. I sincerely hope that the next person that makes this decision will have a warmer and more understanding reception.

I had some of the same feedback when I was nullified several years ago. This is why I'm in the middle of the camp of saying it's possible, but we've also seen a lot of this go the other way as well, when people are new to the site and state they are looking for something, then three days later say they found it, we often look at the situation with caution, at best. Given the difficulty in arranging surgeries we've seen from others, we know it's abnormal for it to be a 3 day process. So I feel the skepticism is coming from that quick progression, as it's the information people here have to work with from what you've posted.

One truism is time will answer the question with certainty.

I for one would be happy if this comes to pass for you, as it seems in your latest message (#11) you've more fully explained what the process has been. As you've noted, yours would be the first case of a nullo male and female in a relationship we've heard of. So for many, it would take time to adjust to the possibility.

You're right, your situation or someone else's, people don't get nullified for the edification or entertainment or others. It's done solely for the person who is going to live in the permanently altered body. And that is the only reason anyone needs for doing it. You owe others nothing.

However, that is where a lot of the pushback is coming from. Because of what it takes to become a nullo, and the lifelong commitment one must accept when amputating their genitals, it causes those who have gone before to question a scenario such as the one you've presented. That's why I remain where I am when viewing your messages here.

The situation is possible, but given the history of others who have claimed the same speed of service you have, it's often seen as implausible.

I really like how LT is kind and considerate to the nullo community.

He always makes sure that people are not disappointed in cases of failure and rejoice when their cherished desires finally come true...

Losethem (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:11 pm Given the difficulty in arranging surgeries we've seen from others, we know it's abnormal for it to be a 3 day process. So I feel the skepticism is coming from that quick progression, as it's the information people here have to work with from what you've posted.

It's not been 3 days, we were seriously exploring the options for nullification for close to 3 years and for some two years on a quest to find the best way and best surgery options. Since almost a year we found the surgeon and have had contact with him, we flew to Thailand to have a meeting in person and the rest was through videoconferencing. At the same time we had visits to a local private gynecology clinic to discuss and explore the possibilities for the removal of the wife reproduction organs.

The fact that we just recently joined this forum is purely that we didn't want to go public where we were worried for judgmental comments from people, our worries was that this forum wasn't really about nullification but more on castration which is a bit strange where an eunuch is traditional a nullo and not a castrate.

Unfortunately we have to conclude that our initial worries became a truth, so we will seriously reconsider if this is the right medium for us to exchange experiences, we're pretty disappointed and we will no longer reply to skepticism and accusations. simple reasoning, our lives, our decision and our genitals, we don't need anyone's approval but our own.

And with the rational thinking that you've obviously put into your decision(s), you should also understand any skepticism here that comes your way.

Paolo wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:22 pm And with the rational thinking that you've obviously put into your decision(s), you should also understand any skepticism here that comes your way.

Should I? Why do people think they can Jurgen.

Even if someone is ventilating a fantasy you still have no reason to judge. This might be a cry for help or the first step towards a desire to go for nullification.

In Dutch we have a proverb: "the wish is the father of the thought" meaning you believe something, because you want it to be so.

Maybe understand people rather then judge. Maybe ask questions instead of attacking.

I understand, and appreciate where you are coming from.

However, if we had a dollar for every time that someone has come on here, passing off such a story as reality, then we'd all be driving Ferraris.

Not to name names, but I know a few members here that have been hurt by such.

Hence the skepticism.

Fantasy is fine, but reality is hard-core.

Both are welcome, but both need to clarified.

Paolo wrote: Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:15 am I understand, and appreciate where you are coming from.

However, if we had a dollar for every time that someone has come on here, passing off such a story as reality, then we'd all be driving Ferraris.

Not to name names, but I know a few members here that have been hurt by such.

Hence the skepticism.

Fantasy is fine, but reality is hard-core.

Both are welcome, but both need to clarified.

And if every nullo would receive a dollar for every hurting remark they would drive Rolls Royces and live in mansion.

That's why I was reluctant to speak out.

Racalonk (imported) wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 3:03 pm It's not been 3 days, we were seriously exploring the options for nullification for close to 3 years and for some two years on a quest to find the best way and best surgery options. Since almost a year we found the surgeon and have had contact with him, we flew to Thailand to have a meeting in person and the rest was through videoconferencing. At the same time we had visits to a local private gynecology clinic to discuss and explore the possibilities for the removal of the wife reproduction organs.

I don't know if it's a language barrier or what, causing your misunderstanding, but you're clearly missing the point I've said you're welcome here. You've missed my point entirely, that if the moderators or administrators here wanted you gone, you would be gone already. So stop with the feeling persecuted for a moment and put yourself in our position, related to how you started posting messages here.

Assuming you've done everything you say you've done the last 3 years before positing a message here, the fact remains you did not start out by telling us that.

Instead, our introduction message here gave us the impression you were looking for advice or help obtaining services to be nullified. Then within a week you've had all your consultations, found a surgeon to remove your wife's internal reproductive organs a week later, and that you've arranged a surgery appointment in Thailand and travel, a place to stay in Thailand, and that you're leaving in late December to have your surgery.

Now take yourself out as the person saying this is happening, and put in someone else coming to you and stating something like this, without having said anything about the prior 3 years you're now telling us about.

I think even you would be skeptical of that scenario.

That's why you are being questioned. You could be 100% truthful in what you're saying, but when you came here, you set up a timeline those of us who have been around this site for the past 20 years, find implausible at best.

So understand, that though the situation you are describing could be the truth, the way you presented it to us from the start is what has us questioning you. I do not know if that is from a language barrier or something else, but for those of us who have been here a long time on this site, seeing all sorts of stories both truthful and not over that time, only two times has someone come to us the way you have and I've been wrong about their lying to us.

Again, I hope that is the case this time. And you're right, nobody needs the approval of anyone else to do this to their bodies. But you're mistaken if that's what you believe we are thinking. If this is what you want, go for it. You don't need my approval, but what we will not tolerate on the EA is fantasy passed off as reality, and the way you've presented your case to us has me believing it's the first.

Now, that you chose to focus on only what I said in the first paragraph of my last message and not at all on the rest, lends more credibility to what I'm presently thinking. You got really defensive with me over that, and I'd be quite surprised if you read the rest of the message before replying.

Regardless, since you're not understanding we're trying to be supportive in the face of our uncertainty, and that you only seem to want to argue, I'm closing this thread.

You're still welcome here all the same.