WheelyCurious wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:08 pm Largely I agree, but would point out that "Orchidectomy" is a CORRECT alternative spelling of the surgery - looking for it w/ Startpage returns a LOT of results from medical clinics and other such places that would (hopefully) know how the word is spelled... A quick scan of the sites listed w/ that spelling looks like many are UK / AU so it looks like yet another instance of 'Brits talking funny'

While I agree that there is a difference between chemical and surgical castration, I think that if someone has done chemicals to the point of (confirmed by test) castrate level, as I have, then he is more than just "aspirant/wannabe" even if not all the way into the surgical club...

I wasn't sure until my latest T test a few days ago, but I definitely fit the class of "Chemical Eunuch" at least, even if I haven't seen any noticeable changes other than the test...

(BTW, I don't know how the "FQM" tag under my icon on posts got there, I've never touched that bit that I know of...)

WheelyCurious

The system automatically makes such listings, although they can be changed.

also, these are not common words from everyday speech. i’d guess that people just dig into their memories about the info they’ve seen rather than go back and look it up.

either caustic or alcohol when injected it’s “bad” so they are easy to lump as one thing.

as for chemical castration chemicals, to me (sorry all) i think that chemical castration is just an easy way out. and sorry to WPATH too for that matter. i believe when it comes to elective castration, doing the real thing with doctor and knife is the best and only way to go. certainly it is if you are someone similar to me where the need for permanent castration has been a constant theme in my life, there was no doubt in my life that even the result of regretting the result (after surgical castration) would be way better than testing it out first and being cautious. i know i’d have easily backed out with chemical when i should not have had that opportunity. i was very ready. i was completely ok with the permanence without ever having been on estrogen - or T blockers or any other category that i may be omitting here,

as for calling one’s self something that they may not actually already be, yeah, i think i agree here, and incidentally, there is a cat food called nulo and i can’t help wondering… and not to mention nutella. for whom are these intended !?

as for pain, i had none but emotional pain before the surgery and much emotional and physical pain during several self inflicted episodes - that did not produce castration. when i did get the surgery it was painless. but after when it was already a permanent thing, that is when the pain started and no one warned me about that. it’s all healed now, but it hurts like fuck generally all the time and apparently my surgeon did not think that that is a thing to be concerned with. so for me at least, pain was not a thing to consider when calling myself whatever it is that i do. i think wanting and being can both make a person feel as if he is.

as far as testicle removal is concerned, i’ve crossed that “finish” line, but i am by no means finished with surgery or E treatment. and yes, i realize that my talk is tinged with exasperation and frustration and misdirected anger. i am sorry that that is the way i usually end up presenting myself but in the present healthcare system that does not believe that my needs are of any importance, i do find myself having to be that squeaky wheel and sometimes misdirecting my anger (sorry) just happens. this is not such an easy course to take especially since it seems the only one to take or taking none at all but the course of a lack of self control.

For what it's worth, I'm fine with fantasy seekers, etc. so long as they state such and don't use me as their plaything. For me when they do that, it's the height of disrespect. Get to know me a bit and maybe I'll indulge your fantasy.

I also know that I started as a wannabe, and respect those who sincerely want but have not had the surgery yet, but considering how painful this is to go through I find it offensive people call themselves nullo, eunuch, etc. without having gone through the pain of having the surgery.

I've seen recently several folks (around half a dozen) on various sites saying they're a nullo, a eunuch, and then saying they've not had the surgery yet.

The only exception to the surgery and calling yourself something I see is physician prescribed chemical castration, used as a means to determine if a male will ultimately have his testicles removed for libido reduction/elimination.

Now, these are only my views, and I'm glad you've all shared yours.

Well I think I've been quite upfront about my goals and progress towards them... I think that at this point I'm legitimate in calling myself a 'chemical eunuch' given my last test...

Since I'm not yet 'fully qualified' I have made what I think is a suitable modification to the Icon label that more accurately reflects my current state...

WheelyCurious

As a Very British Person (TM) I can confirm that 'orchidectomy' is correct British English, and 'orchiectomy' is not correct in the UK -- It is indeed a difference dictated by where the red, white and blue occurs on the flag.

Another Old English peculiarity is we have the term spado (pl. spadones) for a testiculated person with life-limiting testicular pathologies and/or confirmed untreatable infertility. My impression was that this nuance was considered fusty though, hence folk umbrella-ing 'eunuch' to cover all.

magusuk89 (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 1:42 am As a Very British Person (TM) I can confirm that 'orchidectomy' is correct British English, and 'orchiectomy' is not correct in the UK -- It is indeed a difference dictated by where the red, white and blue occurs on the flag.

And I can confirm that "orchidectomy" is the term used where the red, white, and blue form a Southern Cross with four red stars within four white stars.

I don't wish to thread-jack on LT here, but I must know: How does one get to be a very British person?

Paolo wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:25 pm I don't wish to thread-jack on LT here, but I must know: How does one get to be a very British person?

OMG! I could do sterotypes, but I'm not sure a stereotype war is in order. While it might be fun as long as everyone took it that way, I could see it going off the rails, easily.

Though I hope a very British person isn't anything similar to how I view a very American person. I'd cringe at that. LOL

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Paolo wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:25 pm I must know: How does one get to be a very British person?

I'm sorry, maybe this is off topic. I remembered a very old joke about a very real Briton (maybe even a lord).

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An English gentleman is sitting in his office.

A servant runs in and says excitedly:

"Sir, flash flood... River..."

But the lord interrupts him: “James, please gather yourself and convey the message calmly and with dignity!

James steps outside, then opens the door again and calmly states.

"Sir, I'm honored to introduce you to the River Thames."

Valery_V (imported) wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:20 am I am asexual and preferred "pain during surgical removal of genitals".

I got used to lack at me of genitals and I like it esthetically.

Most of people tries to keep the natural look, to reduce sexual potential some...

Now, in order to get "pleasure from pain", I have to stretch.

Ha ha, I want to recommend to those interested ...

For some reason, I'm sure that this guy's sexual potential (see video below) will definitely decrease for some time .

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Stretching “I’m happy because it hurts”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15eDgp1 ... =KBalletTV