Begoneboy (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 4:47 am those with substantial beer guts and pretty good set of moobs have nothing to do with estrogen. It's call FAT and has more to do with no personal self worth and complete lack of caring for oneself. Lots of guys have substantial beer guts who have never drank beer. It's a big world we live in

Nothing like a harsh judgemental comment to brighten the day

Begoneboy (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 4:47 am those with substantial beer guts and pretty good set of moobs have nothing to do with estrogen. It's call FAT and has more to do with no personal self worth and complete lack of caring for oneself. Lots of guys have substantial beer guts who have never drank beer. It's a big world we live in

I'd say there are many who could do better if they put the fork down more, but there are also many guys who have legitimate cases of gynecomastia. I'm glad you've not had such problems.

Losethem (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:42 pm I'd say there are many who could do better if they put the fork down more, but there are also many guys who have legitimate cases of gynecomastia. I'm glad you've not had such problems.

You are absolutely right about legitimate cases. And those who suffer that have my sympathy as those who suffer any physical problem. A decade ago I was diagnosed with stage 4 end of life cancer. Was given 6 months to live if untreated. Of course it was treated aggressively and I'm still here a decade later. The point is, rather than looking for something to blame it on treatment was sought.

This thread was about unintended feminization which I admit happened to myself. This didn't happen through no fault of my own. It happened because I started messing around with by body's hormones without seeking medical advice. When I began to see relief from the symptoms for which i started the hormones I overdid it and then began abusing the hormones. During those days it was never my intention to feminize my body and in reality I didn't see it happening. All I saw was a relief of the symptoms for which I started the hormones.

More than a couple decades later and much expense as I think about this thread it would have been so much easier to have sought medical advice to balance my hormones. I didn't develop breasts because of environmental conditions, drinking beer or eating foods stored in plastic. It happened because I did not seek medical advice and self medicated. I am totally responsible for my unintended feminization because of my own STUPIDITY. Since then I adjusted my lifestyle to match what my body became. I never wanted male genitals nor did I want the female ones. I am Nullo and very satisfied at that. If appearing female because of my stupidity of self medicating, it is Ok in my book. I am still the nullo a desired to be.

As with many folks traveling through life I became overweight. At one point My body reached well over 220 pounds. My comfortable weight is 150. I had nothing to blame other than over use of a fork and knife. Had to put those down to get back to a healthy weight. It had nothing to do with chemicals in the plastic holding the food purchased or hormones used in raising livestock. It had everything to do with my lack of self control of the type and quantity of what I ate.

This was my rant and tirade over folks constantly blaming anything but ourselves for the outcome in our lives. Let's all take responsibility for our actions or lack of them.

I think you and I would agree that everyone has their own unique journey. I know I've been guilty of harsh statement a time or two, but felt the comment about FAT was a bit overboard. Obviously, you're allowed to have the opinion, and I'm glad it seems you were able to correct it in yourself through your own efforts. It's difficult to break the cycle at times.

Just to be perfectly clear:

I am NOT fat. I'm big boned.

Then I can change your avatar if you like, Cartman!

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0909519107

An article about Atrazine that castrates and femanizes male amphibians. It should have the same effect on humans.

Cseriess (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:51 pm https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0909519107

An article about Atrazine that castrates and femanizes male amphibians. It should have the same effect on humans.

A very interesting article, thanks for posting it! The last line in the Discussion section seemed particularly relevant:

It seems that the concerns of Sanderson et al. [“A logical concern would be that exposure of wildlife and humans to triazine herbicides, which are produced and used in large quantities, and are ubiquitous environmental contaminants, may similarly contribute to estrogen-mediated toxicities and inappropriate sexual differentiation.” (15)] may be borne out.

While one could make arguments about what constitutes "inappropriate sexual differentiation", from a reproductive science standpoint, I'd expect them to consider anything other than cis-gendered, fertile, heterosexual outcomes to be 'inappropriate'...

Of course this being EA, I wonder how long it will be before we start seeing threads about attempting to use Atrazine as a DIY method.... (I am NOT suggesting it!)

WheelyCurious

Illinois spreads more Atrazine than any other state, it also has the largest incidence of PCOS. We are all taking Atrazine, it's in our water and food already. It's banned in most countries.

Losethem (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:56 am I think you and I would agree that everyone has their own unique journey. I know I've been guilty of harsh statement a time or two, but felt the comment about FAT was a bit overboard......................

Yes, we agree on many things. One of the biggest difference between us is that I am honest with words rather than always trying to be politically correct. A comment "FAT or THIN" it is not a slur or an opinion but is a factual description of something. Much like saying Red or Blue is a description about something. I don't call somebody Irish American or African American because unless they hold both citizenship's they are one or the other. We as a society have become too easily offended by innocent words. If I am a designated amount over a medically defined normal weight I am described to be fat or over weight. And at some amount of over weight I am described as obese in medical terms. I am a Nullo. That has a definition that is made by this community. The proper word is nullified of sex organs. Society is wracked with inappropriate ways of describing or prohibiting the description of things they don't like. Those become social opinions. Society had decided that I was no longer male and preferred to label me as female. Now that is in the process of changing. But the fact is I was born Male and will die male. It makes no difference what I look like to the general population. I still am a genetic male. In youth I put up with all these play on words that many people needed to make themselves feel better about themselves. When in reality it is far better to say thing as they are. In a previous post I had been very polite with the use of an abbreviation of a word describing some form of slur used by a large part of the population which is Highly Inappropriate towards a race of people as a result of extreme bigotry and hatred. You edited that post to the point that it change the concept of what was being said. All in the name of your opinion of what is politically correct. As a result I removed my post all together. I DO NOT LIKE MY WORDS TO BE PLAYED WITH. I say what I mean and I mean what I say and you do not have the right to censor my words or thoughts. In truth your comments were the harsh comments. Mine were simple medical descriptions. If this forum is to continue to be a successful place for folks to seek help we need to quit being so critical of simple wording.