erikboy (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:04 pm I wonder how many balls have fallen off of this clamp. 100? 1000?

Ha ha! The thing is useful, reliable, made of good bronze, could last for several decades and even a century!

If she dressed for one person, say for 7 days, then in one year - 52 people, in 10 years 520, well, in a hundred years - 5200. And since one man usually has 2 balls, then in the end it turns out more than 10,000 balls

talula wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:37 pm I donno Paolo. When you fart, I go through some serious spasms. Hehe

Everyone does.

Different species are built differently! A Burdizzo works well on cattle, who have a “brittle” spermatic cord, but not well at all (if at all) on humans. Elastrators seem to cause relatively little pain in sheep and goats (seen from personal experience on the ranch), but cause incredible pain in humans. Don’t try to use farm animal techniques on humans. They’re not likely to work well.

Castration clamps that look very similar to the undecorated Roman example in the link above were still being sold for use on sheep well into the 20th century. There is a very similar one in the Handel House museum in London where an exhibit celebrates the many castrati who came to London to work with Handel. There are apparently a few in Italian museums as well. It’s a good design that was used for centuries.

While there doesn’t seem to be any detailed description of their use on humans, we do know how they were (are?) used on sheep. Once the scrotum is opened, testicles are round, smooth, and slippery from blood. The cremaster muscle tries to pull them up into the abdomen to keep them safe. The clamp holds them in place for the surgeon to carefully remove each of them through the scrotum. The scrotum is then held firmly enough for cautery and stitches. It only clamps the cord tightly enough to serve as a haemostat and to hold it in place to cauterize it, not enough to crush it as a Burdizzo would. The single description of the castration of an Italian choirboy that I’ve found gives no information on how the artery in the spermatic cord was sealed.

For Tenducci, we have his wife's written statement that he was castrated at the age of 9. We also have testimony from a court case against him (as quoted by Helen Berry 2011, pp. 287-88). Tomasso Massi, the son of the surgeon who assisted his father in the surgery testified:

"I do recollect very well when my said Father in the Year One Thousand Seven Hundred and Forty Eight Castrated the said Mr Giusto Ferdinando Tenducci who resided in the Village of Monti St. Savino...and I do clearly recollect that the said Operation of Castrating was performed by Order of the said Tenducci's Father who was then Servant of the Commissary of the said Village and that such Operation was made at a House in the said Village when the said Tenducci resided.... I do clearly recollect that my Father Castrated the said Tenducci of both parts by making the usual Incisions in the Groin and of having Executed and cut out his Two Testicles and the Spermatick Ducts...."

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Berry, Helen. (2011). The Castrato and His Wife. Oxford University Press, xiv,312 pp.

magusuk89 (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:09 am I am pretty sure they are believed to have been used as haemostats in surgery rather than burdizzos.

You are right, but this does not negate the fact that some of these products, judging by their design and high cost, still most likely have a ritual purpose for the castration of people.

I couldn't stand it, and tried on myself with two woodsticks. If you try to close the clamps, the testicles will located below each other. First right and below the left. I think if they really closed the clamps, the cords and veins was ruined.

MikeStone (imported) wrote: Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:16 am I couldn't stand it, and tried on myself with two woodsticks. If you try to close the clamps, the testicles will located below each other. First right and below the left. I think if they really closed the clamps, the cords and veins was ruined.

Excuse me, please send a photo. Understood nothing! I can't figure it out for myself due to the lack of appropriate bodily details .

I recall seeing similar decorated devices in the museum of torture in Prague a few years ago. Not only can humans devise the most insidious devices of cruelty, they seem to enjoy decorating them as well.

Roman castration clamps. Cult of Cybele/Attis:

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Who will understand them, pagans are masochists?! They probably liked to use these tools in relation to their people, and not just to torture their enemies.

Click: Snapshot of the book page I mentioned (https://64.media.tumblr.com/5afd4e93e03 ... f0f731.jpg). Not much to say about it.

The painful lose of one's balls never looked so good and artistic. Plus the roman were just plain nuts. [pun intended]