kastranja (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:33 am I only want to say that I think it is too simplistic to look only at one aspect of castration, even as differentiated as you did, thanks TopManFL.

I actually considered making a note in the original post about castration as a step to SRS or just for it's feminizing effects. Many females that were born with male genitals don't ever go past the castration stage and live a life openly as female.

I left out castration for trans purposes because the post was about the effects of modern technology on eunuchs and as you pointed out in post #4, a trans female who gets a castration isn't a eunuch - they are female, always have been female and the fact that the doctor looked between their legs at birth and said, "congrats it's a boy" doesn't change that fact.

Sperm storage and hormone replacement do add a wrinkle to castration for MTE individuals. In years past a man might have identified as MTE as gender. Nevertheless, he might have never gotten the castration to avoid the effects of being infertile and without hormones.

Regarding the storage of sperm (basically genetic material), I wonder how many MTF store sperm prior to starting transition as a way to be able to produce biological children in the future.

I m guessing few men take advantage of sperm banking.

There are not that many sperm banks in most countries. But now you can get on the internet and order do it yourself sperm collection and frozen shipping for men who live far from any sperm banks, and its cheaper in cost than shooting in person at a sperm bank.

Lots of men should be banking sperm as a usual part of their jobs. All military men should be set up to donate healthy sperm in boot camp and have it completed by the time they finish boot camp. It should be part of the paid benefits for all men in hazardous jobs like policemen, firemen, utility workers, construction, and any high heat exposure jobs like oil rig workers and manufacturing exposures to heat and sperm harming chemicals.

I was very impressed in the lead up to the first gulf wars in seeing news reports of young military men going to sperm banks on their own and paying to have their sperm frozen and banked before the battles started. They set a great example for men in all hazardous jobs to follow.

Men into rough cbt and castration play would be wise to bank some of their healthy sperm before they get too extreme with their balls. Its costs around $1000 to $1500 to get set up initially and then around $400 to $600 a year to keep your sperm stored in a deep freeze sperm bank. Not much more than men spend on one vacation.

There have been some melt downs of sperm banks from power outages and similar accidents that ruined all the stored sperm and fertilized ovums in their freezers. So, men should bank at different sperm banks in areas less likely to have meltdowns and far apart to have a greater chance of having healthy sperm to thaw when they want to become fathers.

Its great technology that men into castration and risky work don t take advantage of enough. If more men routinely used sperm banking, the costs would get lower for all men.

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cutnbulls2ox (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:36 pm This is why I celebrate men like Rafaella who are openly eunuchs or men without balls or trans men who brave an unfriendly culture to reveal who and what they are to strangers and in public to the degree they wish. It takes a brave castrated man to get naked in locker rooms, bathrooms, and showers with other men and boys or venture to nude beaches and saunas with no shame or embarrassment. They are breaking new ground for others to benefit from.

Any gay or bi man knows what its like to finally be lucky enough to be surrounded by friendly crowds of gay and bi men, and be able to openly kiss and show affection in public, dance, hold hands, embrace, and enjoy all the public affection str8 people enjoy and take for granted. One gay man very cleverly said he d never feel alone again after experiencing crowds of openly gay men in gay bars and gay neighborhoods.

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You're correct of course in celebrating folks like Rafaella and I do as well. I must say however that perhaps the gay or bi man while suffering years of bigotry and prejudice from society doesn't make it ok for them to practice the same towards others. And shouting on the rooftop of a persons gender to society doesn't make society any more acceptable to the ideas. If anything it further enforces the prejudice they already hold so dear. I've been asked to leave virtually every gay bath house I've managed to visit over the years because gay men could not be comfortable with a gelded man who had breasts on his chest. To me this is a double standard within the gay community. If the gay community wants to be treated equally as any other person they need to learn how to treat all as equals. Straight people do not go shouting on the rooftops they are straight. Nor do they boast on the street corners what they do in the bedroom. Gay men and women should follow the same concepts. Two wrongs do not make a right. I feel the exact same way about people of color. There is not a single person of color in America today who was a slave nor were their parents or grandparents. So stop already with the white man keeps me down. A person either keeps themselves down or stands out in their efforts of life. Nobody else is to blame for our outlook on life. We get to choose for ourselves. Sometimes our choices are difficult and lead to suffering at the hands of others but they were our choices to be made and it is our future to be enjoyed.

Hi Begoneboy,

I agree with most of what you are saying here.

People will always have some jerks in any and every group, no matter what.

There are lots of situations in which I feel uncomfortable or out of place and lacking potential hookups as a very masculine and not out or obvious gay man. Some places are catering to a more feminine gay crowd, some moderate, and some to butch men. I m always thankful to see a leather Eagles gay bar in a town when I visit.

Gyms are the same way, they each have their own kind of members and attitudes. Some match what I like, some are passable, some you turn around and walk out as soon as you get the wrong impressions.

As a nullo, you are breaking into territory that most people fear and can t understand. Many people react by pushing away if they fear and can t understand. That s just a common human response to fear and confusion.

I m guessing that you get more understanding and acceptance from gay groups than from female or straight groups. But then, you don t get naked with those groups to test my hunch. So, its just speculation by me.

I do think str8 people trumpet their sexuality in public all the time with public displays of affection, openly heterosexual events, advertising, dances, bars, weddings, almost everything you can imagine. I don t resent that. They are openly celebrating their society sanctioned, encouraged, and supported sexuality in ways that gay and bi people will likely never experience.

In the vast majority of small towns and rural areas of the USA, even today, being obviously gay or openly affectionate to any member of your own sex is inviting big trouble from the locals in the form of harrassment and violence. We are stuck living with the limitations of people around us many times if we don t want to be hassled. Just like your chest uncovered in public. The hassles outweight arguing its a male chest and explaining the details to every person taking offense at your bare chest. Its much easier and less hassle to you to just cover your chest than to battle over it with endless people.

My main point was to celebrate other males of whatever sexual choice, seeing men with no balls openly in male only showers, locker rooms, saunas, bathrooms, etc. Who are not embarrassed and not ashamed to be nutless and still functioning as masculine men, str8, gay, bi, whatever.

If you read health forums online, men, and especially teens and boys who lose one or both balls to injuries or illness are filled with fear, shame, embarrassment, and all kinds of wrong images of what missing one or two balls will do to them and what people will think of them. Those males seeing a balless male showering openly would feel great relief and see that most people will accept men with no balls without any hassles or quizzing them on how they lost their ball or both balls. Most wrongly think they are the only male missing one or both balls and worry they cannot be men without having 2 balls swinging between their legs. Seeing manly eunuchs would be very helpful for males with those worries, fears, and feelings.

My guess is that when you are discriminated against by gay bathouses and similar places, its because their customers are there seeking sex with men and seeking out sex with men s dicks and balls openly. Underaged guys would be rejected for the same reason, no dick and balls to legally offer to their customers for sex. The underaged males are fully hung and equipped. But legally off limits to their paying customers for sex. Useless as customers to that business, useless to their customers for having sex, and potential legal troubles. I would avoid a bathouse or gay bar that admitted underaged males as a legal risk. I want adult males for sex, not jail bait boys hanging around and witnessing grown men s sex acts as a minor. These businesses are selling and making money offering sex with legal aged men with cocks and balls. Anything else doesn t make them money. Its that simple. A place catering to feminine males would let me know I m not welcome and I m taking up their valuable space and making their chosen customers uncomfortable in being openly masculine which is not what their business is selling, and not what their customers want to spend the night with. To each his own. I d be wasting my time in those places and generating resentment and discomfort for most of their customers. No fun for them, no fun for me. Its best to seek my fun where I m wanted and appreciated instead. Same with me going to most straight bars, saunas, resorts, and public events. I m hunting in the wrong places for what I want and seek if I go there lol !