I have never desired to embrace any "label", especially as it relates to my sexuality, nor would I personally care to flaunt it if I did.

Yet given the historical oppression of homosexuals in western society (i.e Oscar Wilde and Alan Turing as just two examples) I do sort of like the "in-your-face" aspect of gay pride parades.

I guess that sort of brings out the "anarchist" in me. Whoops, I just labeled myself.

Attending the Chicago pride parades was great ! You got to see the wide variety of gay men that usually blend in as being straight in most daily life. For men who love masculine men and average Joe men, that is a giant pleasure to experience. Also, the ability to openly cruise, hook up, kiss, dance, hug, and openly show man to man gay affection in streets where gay men usually can t do that without risking harrassment and violence was so wonderful and freeing to enjoy. Safety in crowds and enjoying what only straight people usually get to enjoy with society s full support and in big crowds was fantastic !

Labels help in seeking and finding the sub groups of gay and bi men that turn me on the most. Making my own labels clearly obvious to other gay and bi men certainly helps them know if they want me, if I can offer and supply what turns them on, and if its worth persuing me. It avoids a lot of wasted time and effort for me and for the men seeking what turns us on best and in what potential partners and one night stands and fuck buddies want and seek and offer.

Just experience the confusion of trying to figure out what a sea of similar looking military men are seeking and offering and who is bi or gay or straight to very quickly appreciate and value gay and bi men openly advertising their sexual preferences and their labels to each other very clearly !

Begoneboy (imported) wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:21 am Have never been to or even seen a gay pride parade. But I've also been shunned by gays over the years since becoming nullo. Have been thrown out of bath houses both straight and gay. more often gay bath houses have asked me to leave after taking my money to use their hot tubs, sauna's and steam rooms. The gay crowd has more often than not been hostile towards me since becoming nullo.

I would that we simply could all get along no matter what we are.

Courtship and picking romantic or sexual partners is very ruthless and too often heartless. Its tough for everyone. Everyone gets rejected and passed over way more often then they get chosen or pursued. I think its mostly people driven by speed in finding and getting sex over kindness, and fear of rejection or of being used. Even being in high demand can be scary and tough in how to select and turn down people with so many choices wanting you.

In gay bars it is very common for the most attractive men to be lonely, unapproached, and go home alone at the end of the night. People fear attractive people will be extra picky and overly selective or stuck up and self centered. Stereotypes are what people assume about strangers.

Saunas, gay clubs and bathouses are selling access to sex with cocks and balls. Its a ruthless business decision they make to only welcome men willing to eagerly supply their dicks and balls and sex to their other paying customers. I d be rejected and kicked out of clubs or ostricized in places that have customers not seeking my type of gay man. I d be wasting their time and my time if I went where what I have to offer wasn t appreciated or desired by most of the customers there.

We all make choices in partners and dating. But hopefully we try to be kind and considerate to the people who don t turn us on when they want us. I think its just impatience and the obsession with seeking cocks and balls that you are experiencing.

I know that I prefer male only gay bars and bathouses. Any time females are allowed in, straight men are sure to follow them. Then it fouls everything up in having to guess who is straight and who is gay. Plus, women tend to make many gay men more uncomfortable and less open to mingling and approaching each other. Its like, why are straight women invading our man to man specialized hunting grounds and taking up our limited gay spaces ? I resent straight people using gay businesses when there are so few gay places and so many straight places to meet and try to hook up with partners. I also highly resent the "" I m so liberal that I m straight but I go to gay bars " kinds of attitudes and the aren t gay men so cute for us straights to watch attitudes. Finding a gay man is serious business for gay men, not a spectator sport for straight people to watch or enjoy patronizingly.

In your case nullos have no places of their own because there are so few nullos. Then it becomes what are you seeking in partners and where can you find people seeking nullos as partners.

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cutnbulls2ox (imported) wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:06 pm In your case nullos have no places of their own because there are so few nullos. Then it becomes what are you seeking in partners and where can you find people seeking nullos as partners.

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While I don't consider myself gay or straight as society puts it, I do enjoy a good hot tub, sauna and steam room. Those are not so common to find and the gay bath clubs offer a great assortment of them. Since not being female it was assumed by myself that those establishments were available to me to enjoy the facilities. If somebody with a cock and balls wanted to enjoy who I am that was also ok by me as there are pleasures to be found with and by a nullo. Unfortunately it has always been the case that after taking my money for entrance within a short while was asked to leave because of some complaint.

A little bit of consideration by a minority towards an even smaller minority would certainly go a long way towards getting along with each other on this little planet we share.

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cutnbulls2ox (imported) wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:06 pm In your case nullos have no places of their own because there are so few nullos. Then it becomes what are you seeking in partners and whe

Begoneboy (imported) wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:23 am re can you find people seeking nullos as partners.

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While I don't consider myself gay or straight as society puts it, I do enjoy a good hot tub, sauna and steam room. Those are not so common to find and the gay bath clubs offer a great assortment of them. Since not being female it was assumed by myself that those establishments were available to me to enjoy the facilities. If somebody with a cock and balls wanted to enjoy who I am that was also ok by me as there are pleasures to be found with and by a nullo. Unfortunately it has always been the case that after taking my money for entrance within a short while was asked to leave because of some complaint.

A little bit of consideration by a minority towards an even smaller minority would certainly go a long way towards g

etting along with each other on this little planet we share.

I agree with what you say here. I m not sure what motivates the men who complain other than their own fear of castration and penis removal. Why else would they complain ? For all they know, you might have had injuries or medical problems that took your dick and balls from you.

I m guessing since being a nullo is so rare and anyone as open and willing to go to a gay bathouse as you is even more rare, the desk clerks are too confused to know how to handle you or any complaints about you. I m guessing its more shock and not knowing what to do than any decision thought out by the owner or anyone but a work and hassle avoiding front desk clerk asking you to leave.

I admire your openess and being willing to go naked proudly in front of people. Its too bad people don t appreciate your bravery and getting to see you naked and unembarrassed and learn from it. People fear what they don t understand. And most people don t understand your body, so they react in fear and denial of having to deal with it or see you naked. Human shortcommings and emotional fear.

nullo's and women are a different sex, a gay man wants to compete with another gay man, not a different sex.

I can see a lot of gay men getting off on nullo men and wanting to explore and have sex with them. More men are turned on by castration and cock removal than you d think, at least as a fantasy turn on. If men were honest, most would have a lot of questions they d like to ask any nullo and many would love to see and feel their bodies up close and try out new and novel sex with them.

Like most straight men will have sex with another man in the right circumstances. Many gay men will fuck women in the right circumstances. Most people span straight and gay to some degree in their turn ons. Few are exclusively straight or gay only.