So, is it within the error bars to say, "Of those groups who had

JesusA (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:30 am depression before castration

and those who didn't, one third of both groups

JesusA (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:30 am suffered depression after castration

"?

That may suggest a common, underlying mechanism, though without stronger numbers, all I can say is "Fascinating… " and "Requires further study".

erikboy (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:02 pm My personal experience with short chemical castration trial was that I had no depression. But!!! I became much more fragile emotionally! Things that bothered me little before, suddenly became issues for me. That kind of emotional state could easily lead to depression. Mood swings in eunuchs is well known issue.

This is pretty much the way nullification effected me. I don't have depression but I am more fragile and find at times I would cry and don't know why. When I think or say something from my heart, my eyes will easily fog up...quite embarrassing if this happens when my boss talks to me!

YodaNell (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:41 pm I don't have depression but I am more fragile and find at times I would cry and don't know why. When I think or say something from my heart, my eyes will easily fog up...

According to the suicide prevention classes we had to take in the military that is the first and most significant sign of depression.

Wow 18 years since castration but I do not remember depression. I do remember exaggerated emotions. Sad news, movies, and events I felt more strongly. On the other hand happy times were happier. My range and depth of emotions were wider and deeper. Quite a rollercoaster ride at first. The rollercoaster has smoothed out over the years.

tugon (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:37 pm Wow 18 years since castration but I do not remember depression. I do remember exaggerated emotions. Sad news, movies, and events I felt more strongly. On the other hand happy times were happier. My range and depth of emotions were wider and deeper. Quite a rollercoaster ride at first. The rollercoaster has smoothed out over the years.

I hear you LeatherPup but to me it's more like the way tugon feels. I think after all these years depression or suicide would have taken it's toll already. I think it depends on many things like one's mental strength, growing up situation (some people handle situations better because they grew up under difficult situations), castration being a mistake because of the inability to distinguish between fantasy and true desire, always wanting your own way, castration tending to tenderise one's mental state...and much more. Depression is a difficult subject. One can have underlying (unnoticed depression) long before castration and then castration will be the catalyst to manifest castration. I really think that I do not have the courage to kill myself. My faith in God to change my situation is too strong.

I developed a mild depression this year but it's not due to castration. I just had a TERRIBLE year and EVERYTHING seems to go wrong, so I started to take it out on the traffic when I drive. My shrink gave me a mild antidepressant tablet (xanor 0.5 mg) and I'm feeling much better. Xanor is actually for panic attacks but it does make me calmer. My mood situation can also be because I have not had T for a few months now. Cannot afford it. But, my shrink told me there are MANY reasons for depression, but at the moment so far, I feel the same as tugon and the other guy a few posts back.

I'm chemically castrated since 4 years, and my T level is a menopaused woman's one. I've experienced hotflashes, dramatic shrinkage of penis, but no depression.

JessicaH (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:49 pm One of the causes for depression after castration is the sharp increase of lutenizing hormone (LH) which causes your cortisone levels to elevate to high levels. There is also a dramatic change in the mineralocorticosteroid levels that can be helped with DHEA and pregnenolone. Castration creates a massive disruption to the complex system of feedback loops that are very interconnected.

I wonder how all these hormonal loopbacks are organized in prepubertal children? Also after a while these systems stabilize somewhere. Somehow. LH levels drop and hot flashes fade. Is there any scientific data?

I don't know ericboy. There is a good group on Facebook called Gender Research for All Genders. They have some very knowledgeable people there and share a lot of studies. It's the kind of group that you better have a study to back up any assertion that you make.

I've been off T for a while now, and I just a terrible hot flush 10 minutes ago. I hate hot flushes!

Seem to remember that as the flashes went away, it all felt much better. Hope it happens for you too.