fhunter wrote: Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:45 pm I just wonder about two things:

1. What is standard deviation for testosterone levels? Somehow I think 1% is definitely in this range.

2. What is the measurement accuracy of methods involved (and time difference)? Same thing - 1% is relatively low and... well. It is strange.

The Art of Manliness has some info on that somewhere. I'll edit this post if I find the link, but you can look for yourself in the meantime.

Got a referral and talked by phone to an endo today. He said I had most things correct on this - that it was unreasonable to lower my dose when it's that close to the target. It could be that I accidentally put just a bit more testosterone in the syringe when I drew it from the vial and it could cause a slight bump that cycle. He's actually changed my dose a small bit, I'll be getting 10mg more during a two-week period than I get now (I'll be at 80 per week instead of 75), but I'll be dividing the total dose in half and taking it once a week instead of once every two weeks. I did that before and felt a LOT better on that plan. I just have to watch for lipidystrophy at the injection site (basically hardening of the fatty tissues where I inject) because I'll be injecting twice as often.

At least I got someone who knows what the heck they are doing and had a reasonable conversation about this. At the core the issue is they are all worried about lawsuits if their patients encounter any heart/stroke/circulatory issues. He also noted those are most common in people that are supplementing what their testes make and since I don't have any, it's a different game for me.

For now I feel like I have someone that is listening. I certainly didn't feel that way when my primary doctor was looking to lower the dose again for a 1% overage on the test. This guy understands that no scale is perfect.

--LT

March 4, 2015-

New studies fail to find cardiovascular risk with testosterone therapy

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2015-03-c ... erapy.html

Thanks Jessica! I may have to ask the endo about this when I get my 6-week blood draw in May.

--LT

Losethem (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:12 pm Thanks Jessica! I may have to ask the endo about this when I get my 6-week blood draw in May.

--LT

You may want to point out to these doctors that whats called normal range now days was considered below normal in the 1950s, hence, men's testosterone levels are lowering and many labs are using these new below normal numbers to list what they call "normal range".

as for high-dosing, even mega dosing, there were some studies done showing even 600mg per week (which truly IS above normal) which even that didn't produce side effects.

PS. for the older man, as in senior citizen age, I might agree with the higher level of risk, but even then, its mostly because of the excess estrogen and not the actual testosterone.