_g (imported) wrote: Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:09 pm There was a mental patient that nullified him self with scissors, and he did not bleed to death. I've saw the PDF some place on the web.

THe difference is sharp vs not sharp blade, I remember something along the lines of crushing vs cutting as one of the factors in blood loss (I vaguely remember about clean cut bleeding more).

But I am not a doctor, so my memory is hazy and I may know wrong

Nestor AEgrotatus (imported) wrote: Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:15 pm That's why I thought of heating the knife in the hopes of cauterizing the wound. And I doubt I'll bleed to death even if that doesn't work, before the advent of modern medicine they sawed people's arms and legs off and they didn't bleed to death. And thousands of people have castrated themselves or were castrated by others using very primitive and barbaric methods and they did not die.

Do search the survival rates of such operations. Also - in many cases castration was performed by more or less skilled person, who had done it more than once, and not on oneself. If you did some cutting on yourself, you'd know that it is difficult to do anything with shaking hands. (I am speaking from experience about shaking hands).

Re: sawing off limbs - the words are tourniquet and speed. You can't stop bloodflow effectively in testicles (due to what Losethem said, and that the band if you do band can slip).

PS. Average mortality for amputations was 45-65 percent at the time you are referring. And it was by hand of a practiced surgeon.

Nestor AEgrotatus (imported) wrote: Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:15 pm I think the dangers from self-castration are over-blown

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ER, I'm just going to put a big band-aid over the wound and lay on my couch until it's healed. And even if I had the money I wouldn't want a doctor to do it, I value my purity and dignity more than my pathetic, miserable life. Besides, my parents can't know about me becoming a eunuch, it would destroy them. Es
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pecially my dad, and I'm already having enough trouble with him. So, what happens when they actually know (and you can't hide the fact forever, they'll see it sooner or later)?

PPS. One more question - so you did the did, without bleeding out. Do you have painkillers and antibiotics? Cause:

a) That part of the body is, like, not in the best location to heal by itself

b) Recovery hurts. For at least a week. (See the question about parents too).

c) Any plans on dealing with infection, when it happens?

IT´s not so easy as It seems, Probably you survive after you cutt yourself off, but Don´t you think in consequences? If you have the luck of survive, Secondary infections, even a septicaemia, is more common than we think, even if the surgery is performed in a hospital. Who take care of you when you´re convalescing?. Economic and health costs you must bear in mind. Your life is your own decision.

You need psychological help, well maybe most of us need It, but you surely need soon and I think you know that.

Nestor, Back in December 2013 I tried to cut my own nuts off. I spent 6 hours sitting on the floor trying to cut my way through my particularly thick scrotal tissue. In my determination and obsession I really did not feel much pain, I was desperate and driven. I lost a lot of blood and when I started to get uncontrollable shivers with the loss of blood I manged to stitch myself up.

After a while my scrotum started to fill with blood and swell so much that the stitches were in danger of ripping. Fortunately, I was calm enough to remember that drains are often put into the scrotum if this happens and I happened to have some silicon tubing so I put a drain in and managed to stay conscious enough to keep changing the dressing. It took 3 weeks for the bleeding to stop.

I was incredibly lucky and with a basic knowledge of first aid I manged to keep the wound clean and free from infection until it healed.

In the aftermath, I was appalled at what I had been driven to do to myself in all the desperation of 54 years of hating my male bits. I have since sought counseling and it really has helped. It has done nothing to change my desire to be rid of my genitals, but it has helped me to try and find a better safer way to achieve this.

If you think that you can just hack away and stick a plaster over the wound, you are very much mistaken and you could easily bleed to death. Imagine for a moment being un-believably cold and shivering and trying to stitch your self up with 6 hours of blood loss.

Many here are trying to offer you advice. I am sharing my experience and from all that you have written you know very little about this. I have spent the last deacde learning about castration and I failed.

Therefore I urge you to review what you propose and get some help and support befiore you are driven to do something that could result in death.

fhunter wrote: Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:41 pm So, what happens when they actually know (and you can't hide the fact forever, they'll see it sooner or later)?

They must never know, but if they do I will blame my dad for pushing me into this, because it is partly at fault for my renewed fatalistic attitude. After my 20th birthday I had planned to wait to be castrated in a more safe and professional way, but with his drunken belligerence and physical abuse of my mom I realized my fragile little world could be shattered any day now, so I want to become a eunuch as soon as possible so I can atleast for a little while have my happy childhood life restored before his violent behavior forces my hand against him.

fhunter wrote: Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:41 pm PPS. One more question - so you did the did, without bleeding out. Do you have painkillers and antibiotics? Cause:

a) That part of the body is, like, not in the best location to heal by itself

b) Recovery hurts. For at least a week. (See the question about parents too).

c) Any plans on dealing with infection, when it happens?

I've got some neosporin, that's as far as it goes in concerns to antibiotics and pain relief. And when I'm recovering I'm just going to tell my parents I'm very ill, they are quite oblivious and will probably believe me. And hopefully I won't get any infection, if

Frida G Cavic (imported) wrote: Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:31 pm I do I hope I won't die from it, and if I do die from it, oh well that's what happens.

IT´s not so easy as It seems, Probably you survive after you cutt yourself off, but Don´t you think in consequences? If you have the luck of survive, Secondary infections, even a septicaemia, is more common than we think, even if the surgery is performed in a hospital. Who take care of you when you´re convalescing?. Economic and health costs you must bear in mind. Your life is your own decision.

You need psychological

help, well maybe most of us need It, but you surely need soon and I think you know that.

Like I said above, while I'm recovering I'll tell my parents I'm sick and they will take care of me. And I can never get psychological help in America, not when it's run for profit and controlle

jcat (imported) wrote: Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:46 pm d by big pharma. My Grandmother tried to get my Uncle psychological help and he came out far more insane than before and tried to attack my mother.

Nestor, Back in December 2013 I tried to cut my own nuts off. I spent 6 hours sitting on the floor trying to cut my way through my particularly thick scrotal tissue. In my determination and obsession I really did not feel much pain, I was desperate and driven. I lost a lot of blood and when I started to get uncontrollable shivers with the loss of blood I manged to stitch myself up.

After a while my scrotum started to fill with blood and swell so much that the stitches were in danger of ripping. Fortunately, I was calm enough to remember that drains are often put into the scrotum if this happens and I happened to have some silicon tubing so I put a drain in and managed to stay conscious enough to keep changing the dressing. It took 3 weeks for the bleeding to stop.

I was incredibly lucky and with a basic knowledge of first aid I manged to keep the wound clean and free from infection until it healed.

In the aftermath, I was appalled at what I had been driven to do to myself in all the desperation of 54 years of hating my male bits. I have since sought counseling and it really has helped. It has done nothing to change my desire to be rid of my genitals, but it has helped me to try and find a better safer way to achieve this.

If you think that you can just hack away and stick a plaster over the wound, you are very much mistaken and you could easily bleed to death. Imagine for a moment being un-believably cold and shivering and trying to stitch your self up with 6 hours of blood loss.

Many here are trying to offer you advice. I am sharing my experience and from all that you have written you know very little about this. I have spent the last deacde learning about castration and I fail

ed.

Therefore I urge you to review what you propose and get some help and support befiore you are driven to do something that could result in death.

That's why I want to know if using a heated knife will cauterize the wound. And the knife I'm going to use is quite sharp, I've tested it several times and I highly doubt it will take six hours, more likely it will only take six seconds.

_g (imported) wrote: Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:09 pm There was a mental patient that nullified him self with scissors, and he did not bleed to death. I've saw the PDF some place on the web.

I posted the abstract of the article some time ago. It concerned a trans-woman in her 40s who castrated herself with a pair of pruning shears. The authors of the article pointed out that an elective castration cost $4000 in their area (Washington, DC), but that the woman was faced with a $14,923.00 bill for the surgical repair that was required after she was admitted to the emergency ward for hemorrhage. She also was committed for three days psychiatric evaluation.

A heated knife, even heated to red-hot, would not be sufficient to stop excessive bleeding. It may seem expensive, but it's actually far cheaper to save up and have it done properly.

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Nestor AEgrotatus (imported) wrote: Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:50 pm That's why I want to know if using a heated knife will cauterize the wound. And the knife I'm going to use is quite sharp, I've tested it several times and I highly doubt it will take six hours, more likely it will only take six seconds.

From my understanding of heat as involved with Thermodynamics and Unit Operations in Chemical Engineering, the knife will never be hot enough. It will lose heat too fast and at least part of the cut will not be cauterized. Cauterization (the burning of flesh to seal a wound) requires sufficient heat to keep burning until the job is done. That's going to take more metal than a knife. I won't do the calculations.

I used to work with reactors at 450 deg C and 2000 to 4000 psig and that requires a knowledge of heat exchange, metals, and much more technical stuff.

Let me give you an analogy -- put a skewer into a potato and bake it. If you pull the skewer out without a oven mitt or a pad, it burns. BUT it doesn't burn enough. Too little mass or metal and too much flesh to stay hot. I know. I just did this by mistake in my kitchen. A thumb and index finger sizzled for couple seconds but the skewer was touchable after I dropped it on the counter.

You will have blood flowing and once liquid blood (it is like water in heat conductivity) gets on it - - it will cool too fast to truly cauterize.

So please don't do this.

Cautery irons used historically in veterinary castration were much more massive; thick, less-than-sharp, long-handled affairs that afforded little precision. As the engineer says, the blade lacks adequate thermal mass for the task.

And to answer your question, whether or not you die, it will be agonizing. I have questions about whether you could finish, and about whether you could do so without injuring something else in the process.

As for telling your parents you're very sick, consider that they might take you to the hospital, and any protests to the contrary might just get them to call the paramedics.

As for all the others who say you need mental help, I think you're more likely in need of a social worker, given your description of your living environment. You may find it much easier to plan for a safe, professional surgery when you're under less stress and not physically in danger.

As someone who a couple times in my life have had blood splurting from my genitals like in a horror movie -- seriously, every heart beat was shooting blood several feet -- I have to tell you that controlling bleeding can go wrong very quickly and get out of control. Once you start bleeding, blood is very slippery and things you might have like clamps, bands, stitching supplies, etc. become almost impossible to use. Also, you can faint very quickly and unexpectedly. Many guys faint just from the sight of blood but when it is your own blood coupled with pain sensation and mental shock of what you just did (hacking into your genitals) it is very likely.

If you're serious about acting on your desire for castrating yourself, the best bet (least likely to kill you) is just using the calcium chloride injection method. For less than $20 in supplies you can get an effective castration. It has some pain, but healing from any castration method (even doctor performed) can make it hard to walk for a while.

Regarding cauterization with hot kitchen knife, it isn't necessarily that effective on major arteries. Also to cauterize you need to deliver a lot of heat, meaning the knife would have to be actually red-hot and furthermore may not have enough heat mass to fully cauterize without applying it (red hot) a few times.

Regarding healing, what would your plan even be after slicing it off? You'd have a huge open wound. Without serious stitching you'll basically have horrible infection -- check out this horrible wound: http://wiki.bme.com/index.php?title=Fil ... ator-3.jpg

Regarding pain, I'd say start slow. try slicing a 1cm slice in your scrotum skin with a red-hot knife and see how that goes.

You're at a dangerous point -- the point when your obsession with genital self-harm has reached the point where you're determined to act. Most of us here have been there -- I first sliced a chunk off my penis when I was 11 using kitchen knife and butcher block. As someone who has been there, take our advice and don't try slicing off as your method. Castration through proper means isn't really that expensive (if you're transgender you should go through proper medical channels), and if you're compelled to do it yourself there are safer ways.

OK, now that I've posted a polite message now I'm going to post something much harsher.

You don't need castration - you need a good therapist. Start searching your local area for mental health resources. There are usually places that can get you pointed in the right direction for free. Based on your last comment in this thread it is very clear to me that castration isn't right for you. You've got a lot of demons to sort out, and at this point I believe castration wouldn't eliminate any of them, frankly I think they would cause more.

You definitely need help, but not the type you're seeking.

Sorry to be so blunt, but if you do anything remotely close to what you're planning then you're a friggin' idiot.

Seek professional help and get your life sorted before you make a huge mistake.

--LT