Spironolactone [Spiro] and Cyproterone acetate [Androcur] are both anti-androgens.

'Spiro' was first sold for heart ailments until the side-effect list grew too large and the maker re-marketed it for acne. It makes most guys lose their hair and muscle.

'Androcur' was developed as a contraceptive. Side effects also caused re-marketing as useful to sex changes.

Try a going on a paleo diet. Eliminating hard 'carbs' altogether.

Soybeans are chock full of phytoestrogens.

Add soymilk, soy protein, soy butter (Wow-butter (http://www.amazon.com/WOWBUTTER-Safe-Fo ... =wowbutter)really does taste like peanut butter - I actually like it better), and even some tofu to your daily diet and forget about prescription drugs (but that wouldn't pass muster with your physician, and all his cohorts down-the-line toward transition surgeries . . .)

There is also Black Cohosh and Chaste Tree [Vitex Agnus-castus] to consider. That combo is known to produce feminizing effects.

Most people who want to change genders, want it over-night. Slow is best for body changes. It took many years to grow into what you are/were. Sudden changes cause the organ failures and chronic conditions the pharmaceuticals manifest.

artisticlicense (imported) wrote: Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:06 am Spironolactone [Spiro] and Cyproterone acetate [Androcur] are both anti-androgens.

'Spiro' was first sold for heart ailments until the side-effect list grew too large and the maker re-marketed it for acne. It makes most guys lose their hair and muscle.

'Androcur' was developed as a contraceptive. Side effects also caused re-marketing as useful to sex changes.

Try a going on a paleo diet. Eliminating hard 'carbs' altogether.

Soybeans are chock full of phytoestrogens.

Add soymilk, soy protein, soy butter (Wow-butter (http://www.amazon.com/WOWBUTTER-Safe-Fo ... =wowbutter)really does taste like peanut butter - I actually like it better), and even some tofu to your daily diet and forget about prescription drugs (but that wouldn't pass muster with your physician, and all his cohorts down-the-line toward transition surgeries . . .)

There is also Black Cohosh and Chaste Tree [Vitex Agnus-castus] to consider. That combo is known to produce feminizing effects.

Most people who want to change genders, want it over-night. Slow is best for body changes. It took many years to grow into what you are/were. Sudden changes cause the organ failures and chronic conditions the pharmaceuticals manifest.

I know better than to "want " things overnight. Reality is its a lifelong process. Is it sensible for me to want changes at a moderate pace though? I'd like to try Spiro on low to medium settings, estrogen on a medium dosage. I'm OK with that. My reasoning for focusing on taking E at a slow pace also has to do with avoiding hormone resistance.

I simply can't eliminate protein dense complex carbs though. Quinoa, kaniwa, beans, lentils, sprouts, amaranth, chickpeas, brown rice, etc..... Don't spike insulin, but I'm upset that some are pottasium rich. If it were as simple to drink ones way out of eliminating potassium with water I'd be extremely happy but reality is its not possible.apparently its a bitch to get rid of excess potassium.

NB: though of concern I don't really ingest many gmo's. Lots of access to hippies, Mennonite farms(get my meats there), and local produce where I live. But your right phytoestrogens and especially xenoestrogens are of concern but I don't think you can shrug them off. I'd only be concerned about ingesting too many of them. I adhere strong to the law of dosage aka paracelcus

NB: I wasn't implying that I ate simple carbs, but that most of them contain much lower doses of potassium. And hence why soo many transgals aim for these nutrient denseless carbs. The problem is they make you fat, they contribute to cellulite(I certainly don't want big momma fat jokes around me, spike your hunger levels, make you feel tired etc.... As for paleo, I respect ones choice to go that route but I choose vegetarian with an emphasis for fish, dark collard greens and low glycemic complex carbs that take a long time to digest in tummy. I do eat read meat. I've lately hung around Chinese and have taken a fond to duck and some wild game but red meats are restricted to 1-2 times a week. The serving of red meat is the size of half my fist.

I am not happy I'll have to get rid of some of my foods due to risk of overloading on potassium. This is my scare. Pretty angry I have to cut out on fried plantain and avocados which ATM I eat on a daily basis. Its a staple to eat them with rice(I choose brown rice) and beans for breakfast.

foxytaur (imported) wrote: Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:02 pm The accumulating effect Spiro has on potassium levels in body. The last thing I want is to die from hyperkalemia (think prisoner lethal injection induced death eh?)

Spironolactone is a potassium-sparing diuretic (water pill). It prevents your body from absorbing too much salt and keeps your potassium levels from getting too low. It is also used to treat or prevent hypokalemia (low potassium levels). From literature, it is most often prescribed today for high blood pressure.

According to many studies, most {Americans} are grossly deficient in potassium. They eat too much sodium. Have heart flutters (palpitations) (arrhythmia) dizziness, fainting, shortness of breath.

I take a potassium tablet with each meal. Haven't had a flutter since. The worst was when I tried to lay down to sleep. That stopped almost immediately after starting potassium tablets.

Soy milk is not as bad as eating soy grains {grits}, or soy flour (products with). Many men experience low libido and ED from drinking soy milk. I drank soy milk for 2 years and never got a firm erection. It took major effort to get mildly firm.

I took Vitex with Black Cohosh for a while. Noodle always stayed limp, but there still was some 'desire' for sex (as bottom). Feelings (physical & emotional) were still present, but never an erection. I still take Vitex 4x /month to help with bladder control. The effects last for several days.

I had so many surgeries as a child and have always had bladder issues. Never could 'hold it' for long. But, Vitex is only part of my program (and it's off subject).

If you are transitioning, I know a few younger guys who started taking feminizing herbs as teens, with great results. They wanted to halt the masculinization of puberty (which kicks in around 13 and doesn't stop until around 25 years old). Most young guys I know want to look androgynous. So, I think it is worth consideration.

There are websites dedicated to herbal usage for trans-people. [ See Ohlone Herbal Center (http://www.ohlonecenter.org/research-pa ... ant-folks/) Berkeley, CA - free clinic] [PINKEssence (http://pinkessence.com/main/authorizati ... om%2Fforum %2Ftopics%2Fherbal-supplements-to-increase-estrogen) ; registration required] [transgender.livejournal (http://transgender.livejournal.com/2241290.html) - Blog ; log-in/registration required]. There may be more.

If you do try herbs, select a reputable company or buy fresh (real). There are many hucksters out there who sell fakes and fillers.