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Re: Pele is awake

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:45 pm
by moi621 (imported)
Riverwind (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:08 pm Well today Pele made a right turn its now heading back right for the little town that serves this area, then across the road which is the only real road in and out of the area.

The joys of living on an active Volcano.

River

Sounds like Party Time

Break our the marshmallows.

A little crushed pineapple and it's a Hawai'ian toasted marshmallow 👅

s'mores anyone ?

Kristoff experienced snow and icy roads today, or yesterday or recently.

Will RiverLava miss his Northern Midwest Winters ?

I did when I left Milwaukee and use to take a week off to experience Milwaukee winters for several years.

I got to return to Paradise while my Milwaukee friends stayed on to enjoy the rest of their Winter.

Here are some link y'all might enjoy

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=3995

And volcano theory has been all wrong

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/volcano-theory ... ts-1464686

Aloha oy to you too.

Moi 🚬

Re: Pele is awake

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:44 pm
by Riverwind (imported)
There are several types of volcano's some explode like Mt St Helen's, others like Kilauea flow or as the Mayor said yesterday, its a pumper.

The latest is that its pumping out new lava by the ton, meaning that it will most likely cross the main road in a week to ten days. A new road is being started tomorrow I think, 7 miles of two lane dirt road and will be done in 3 weeks, or so they say.

People are stocking up on gas, buying gas cans an filling them. My friend bought 5, 5gal cans. We are in a wait and see mode, were not sure where its going to cross the road or if its going to reclaim part or all of Pahoa the town in the area.

I will keep you all posted as to what the lava is doing, keeping in mind that Kilauea
Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:09 pm has been erupting for 31 years and
shows no sign of stopping.

River

Re: Pele is awake

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:58 am
by Dave (imported)
I went and looked at "BIG ISLAND VIDEO NEWS" and read the report. Maps and pictures and explanations.

http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2014/ ... tember-12/

The lava is taking aim at Pahoa and a couple housing developments. It is flowing underground through jungle and the only way to find it is to see the black burn marks as the jungle is turned to charcoal. Fascinating that the jungle doesn't burn.

What is interesting is the direction of the "downslope" from the caldera through lava tubes and channels towards the sea. It is like any liquid flowing down hill. Strange to talk of lava that thick that way. It flows down the slope about 100 yards a day. Some distance near that, give or take. That's the reason you can't blow it up and create a diversion path. There is always something lower than it and like all liquids, it finds the lowest level. Gravity is a bitch.

And it is underground, mostly. That's the reason it can't be stopped with water. The underground lava tubes won't allow penetration of the water or if they do, then the water only forms a crust above the flowing lava. Think of stunningly hot molasses sneaking around in a hamster cage with lots of tunnels running every which way (mostly downhill). It can crust over but the part that remains fluid finds a path to the lowest level. Gravity again.

One of the videos of the public response showed that the affected peoples are revealing how they drive from neighborhood to neighborhood without the roads. their shortcuts probably revealed to the authorities the path of the road that Riverwind is talking about.

For me as an engineer to observe it from a distance is kind of fun (Sorry River). All those rather difficult problems in Fluid Dynamics and the very dry text descriptions in mathematics of "flow in a pipe" and "flow in an open channel, and "Flow over a weir" that I would never get to discuss because it's boringly technical are here in real life, glowing red and burning. There's a little bit of gleeful "oh I know what that is doing mathematically" thrill that only engineers and little boys who build things with erector sets know and love.

Re: Pele is awake

Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:19 pm
by Riverwind (imported)
I could not have said it better

River

Re: Pele is awake

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:52 am
by Dave (imported)
Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:19 pm I could not have said it better

River

yeah, sure,

but you wouldn't have sounded really nerdy like I do.

wink, wink

Re: Pele is awake

Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 2:35 pm
by Dave (imported)
Huffington Post has an article about measuring the speed of lava. . .

It's not as easy as one would think. . .

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/1 ... _ref=green

How Scientists Are Measuring The Speed Of Lava In Hawaii

HONOLULU (AP) -- Scientists at the U.S. Geological Survey's Hawaiian Volcano Observatory have been monitoring every twist and turn of lava creeping unpredictably toward communities in a rural and isolated Big Island district.

Their work can be dangerous and includes frequent flyovers in a helicopter, navigating precarious terrain and taking careful data measurements to give the public an accurate picture of the lava's progress.

"To do that you have to walk across a lava tube and that's fairly hazardous work," said Janet Babb, a geologist who also serves as the observatory's spokeswoman.

Photos taken by the observatory this week include a shot of a geologist wearing protective clothing while using a radar gun to measure the speed of the lava flow. A wider shot shows another scientist noting his measurements of the volume of lava flowing through the tube.

"That's important to know because that tells us what's feeding the flow front," Babb said.

To obtain those measurements, geologists have to make sure the ground they're dealing with is stable enough. To measure the speed of lava, a geologist needs to find a skylight - an opening on the roof of the tube - that can be safely accessed, Babb said.

Story continues below thanks to some groovy pictures. . .

The measurements help Hawaii County Civil Defense officials prepare for the lava, which the observatory estimated could cross the Puna district's Highway 130 in 18 days. In order to prevent residents from being cut off from the rest of the island, county workers are busy preparing defunct, unpaved roads to be used as alternate routes.

On Wednesday, the lava had advanced about 350 yards from the previous day within a vacant lot in the Kaohe Homesteads subdivision. Officials were hopeful the flow would bypass homes.

Babb said those in her field have a fascination for the wonders of volcanos.

"This is our line of work, but at the same time, it is with heavy hearts that we see this flow approach critical infrastructure and disrupt people's lives," she said. "When a lava flow is going into the ocean ... it's not impacting anyone's life directly, it's easier to stand back and sort of enjoy the beauty of that. But when the flow is headed for infrastructure ... that makes it hard."

Before the public became concerned about the lava, the observatory's scientists were already keeping close tabs on the lava, which they call the June 27 flow because that when it emerged from a vent. The observatory issued a news release on Aug. 22 letting the public know it was advancing.

"And it wasn't an easy decision because we didn't want to alarm people unnecessarily," Babb said. "Now that we look back, we're convinced it was the right thing to do."

Residents at packed community meetings on lava updates often preface their comments or questions with gratitude for the scientists' work, said county spokesman Kevin Dayton.

"I think it's because the scientists who work up there have been there a long time," he said. "They're not strangers. They're people who have been in the community many years."

Re: Pele is awake

Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:25 pm
by moi621 (imported)
http://www.hawaiimagazine.com/blogs/haw ... a_district

This Lava Map linked is 2 days old already. Can anyone find one more recent.

The News sez the lava has the township of Pahoa as a target.

How's River ?

Is it true marshmallows have to be imported to Hawai'i :D

Moi 🚬

Re: Pele is awake

Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:54 pm
by Riverwind (imported)
Lets see if I can put this in perspective.

The Puna Distruct is where I live and a lava flow is heading right across the only town in the area. So once is crosses the only road through town its only a good block to the main highway. When the flow crosses the main highway we will be on one side and civilization will be on the other.

This is what makes life worth living.

River

Re: Pele is awake

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:49 am
by Dave (imported)
Moi and the rest - -

Look at that map on the link that you provided and the blue lines are the downhill slopes and ravines or valleys. According to the last land survey in Hawaii, those are the elevations of the land above sea level. Expand the map and scroll around. It's easier to see.

http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/maps/uploads/image-122.jpg

Also, look for tiny numbers next to thin brown lines - those are elevations. They circle around the hills and the volcano itself. If you look near the origin of the red flow, that's about 1900 feet above sea level. August 29th was about 1500 feet above sea level. September 15th was about 1100 feet above sea level.

On that map, the red tip of the lava is at elevation 1000 feet.

If you follow the blue arrow and then the blue line beneath it, you will see 826 feet and if you can locate the tiny contour numbers you will see that Pahoa is between 600 and 700 feet. Which means that anything fluid and flowing (like lava as slow as it is) is going to flow into the town of Pahoa and across highway 130.

It missed the Kaohe Homesteads, passed east of the Wao Kele O Puna Forest Reserve, touched the Puna Reserve.

But that blue line leads down to the sea right through Pahoa.

Re: Pele is awake

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:31 pm
by moi621 (imported)
Someone should do something about it ! 📢

One need only remember a few Twilight Zone episodes to imagine society after being cut off by lava.

Why isn't the Hawai'ian National Guard deployed ?

Are they afraid of being on the wrong side of the lava flow? Chaos. Social breakdown. Rioting. Looting.

Moi 🚬