I"m not a telephone person -- work burnt me out for telephones and being semi-attached to the bosses was something I hated...

however, beginning of September when my MOther fell and went to the hospital with a concussion and four weeks later when the Rehab facility rushed her to another hospital to get a pacemaker, I blessed the phones and text messages and everything about the "lump of stupid" as I refer to my cell phone.

There are times when that much communication is necessary and even that much communication isn't enough.

I always wanted to work for Ma Bell. From 18 to 28 I applied faithfully every year. Those jobs are gone now.

My first cell phone was a Motorola Brick. Way too expensive and I only had it a few months.

My wife and daughter decided they needed cell phones about 15 years ago. I dragged my heels. They sold me on getting a cell phone again. $1017 for a Palm treo. I walked across the mall to a public toilet, hung up my coat and it fell in the toilet bowl. The only other phone I got that was way expensive was a Sony world phone. I lost that one. Despite the loss and being out of town and not being able to get a new one for a week, it was a relief to be without a phone for a week.

When the family had four cell phones that cost less than the land line, We dropped the land line. It had only been used for dial up for years, and we dropped dial up for broadband.

Then we found to get internet on a new phone as the old phones broke or whatever. We would need an internet package, we were grandfathered into our old WAP packages. The only one that didn't need conversion was my son's I-Phone (it's still grandfathered a $10 a month for unlimited internet which he doesn't use). I now pay over $4000 a year for 5 phones on ATT.

I'm a cell phone junkie. Get my news (CNN, MSNBC, Newsmax, Faux,KSL etc), take my pictures, use the calculator, schedule my appointments, read 5 email sources a day, dictate texts, surf the web(my kids call it the porno net), get turn by turn directions with Google maps, It strikes westminister chimes, displays my photos and movies, YouTube, and wikipedia (to find the meaning of 420?), read the Eunuch Archive, Yahoo, EBay, Craigslist, Google (I don't have time for facebook or twitter) OH did I mention I used it to call my broker today?

Looking at Moi's avitar those phones are soooo dated. But I cant seem to get excited about any of the new gadgets, Never could get used to a bluetooth headset, The bluetooth car radio I enjoy. The new bluetooth wrist gizzy I wouldn't wear, I gave my old Rolex to my son who lost it somewhere about 30 years ago. They tell me that they will pull you over if you drive with Google Glass. GOOGLE GLASS that would be good on Moi's avitar.

My other avatar is a Prius.

Yes I am serious about EMF and I looked for years for someone who could draw in those cell phones and towers and "zap" lines to express the EMF and truly the attitude of "What Me Worry?".

I believe I share the Alfred E. Neuman driving a Prius in my profile photos, I think.

Well, way back in those early fifties my father, an electronics communications engineer, born in Petrograd 1908 fhunter

in the early fifties he worked for Voice of America at some of those biggest, most powerful broadcast towers yet built designed to bathe Eastern Europe in the Freedom of America's radio propaganda.

Well he would tell me how they learned to turn off the towers before a technician got too close.

The Pearl Chain Effect. He understood no biology, to an engineer biology is NOT really a science y'know but he understood electrical charges and that protein molecules like water have a polarity and line up like a chain of pearl when exposed to EMF. He understood enough to know it was no healthy.

Imagine how much more broadcast frequencies we are exposed today compared to 1950.

So much more then a few AM radio stations and TV stations and scattered CB radios.

Today cell phone towers are built within a few hundred feet of apartment buildings with dishes pointing right at someones balcony. View it on the 73 toll road. And then there is those disguised towers or elements of a tower built into other structures.

And the radio transmitter, cell phone people hold against their head or screw into their ear.

Cruising in a Prius where either the electric motor or generation of electricity is EMF'ed too.

There is just the broad assumption this is all okay, not hazardous and no EMF exposure studies exist for these pussy cars. Nokia/Finland has the cancer associations and that info is ignored.

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As an added benefit of working for the Voice of America, my father use to receive 1 AM phone calls from Roy Cohn. My father's direct supervisor was the suicide in the bathrobe depicted in Citizen Cohn

And as far as EMF goes, Children should be kept away. Out of such vehicles and away from cell phones that have been demonstrated to alter their EEG's. Children's biochemistry being so much more active is also more susceptible to damage from radiation and probably EMF. It has to do with the increased exposed genetic material and such.

AND if anyone would like to redraw my avatar, with phones and towers and zap lines too

it would really, really be appreciated.

See how the What Me Worry fits the concerns over EMF ?

The Moister

knows EMF

EMF is 21st Century Smog

EMF Electromagnetic Fields, I've worked in EMF's strong enough to erase credit cards in your pocket. You could stand a paper clip up on the back of your hand and walk around. Watches would magnetize and stop forever.

Cell phones and hybrid autos don't emit that much EMF. Remember AM car radios? They would buz under power lines, but the radiation didn't go far.

Remember the Cathode Ray Tube? X-ray radiation right to the head as we watched TV, and spent hours in front of early computers.

george2u2 (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:57 am EMF Electromagnetic Fields, I've worked in EMF's strong enough to erase credit cards in your pocket. You could stand a paper clip up on the back of your hand and walk around. Watches would magnetize and stop forever.

Cell phones and hybrid autos don't emit that much EMF. Remember AM car radios? They would buz under power lines, but the radiation didn't go far.

Remember the Cathode Ray Tube? X-ray radiation right to the head as we watched TV, and spent hours in front of early computers.

Sure

But the difference today is long term low dose exposure.

Low dose toxicity whether radiation, or chemical poison has a similar syndrome of

"I Don't Feel Well" and decreased white blood cell function only measured by researchers, not regular medical evaluations that only "count them".

It takes a massive dose for acute toxicity.

Doesn't the Power of EMF drop off severely with distance?

Today we have reduced the distance to plugging it into our ears. Or sitting on it in a Prius.

Finland has very advanced medical record libraries and they have confirmed the brain cancer / call phone association.

This is not 100% lethal, toxicity but just making the odds more difficult to a long healthy life.

I would rate the problem as greater then whether you eat grocery store food or organic.

YES one person may survive it well. Most may survive it well. Just not feel as well as they might.

We have no identical twin not exposed so we can't compare like photos of smoking twin/non smoking twin.

And there are no measurement of those new cars. So we presume the exposure is low.

Moi

Someone wanna draw me some new avatars, please.

moi621 (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:16 pm Doesn't the Power of EMF drop off severely with distance?

Today we have reduced the distance to plugging it into our ears. Or sitting on it in a Prius.

Finland has very advanced medical record libraries and they have confirmed the brain cancer / call phone association.

This is not 100% lethal, toxicity but just making the odds more difficult to a long healthy life.

I would rate the problem as greater then whether you eat grocery store food or organic.

YES one person may survive it well. Most may survive it well. Just not feel as well as they might.

We have no identical twin not exposed so we can't compare like photos of smoking twin/non smoking twin.

And there are no measurement of those new cars. So we presume the exposure is low.

Moi

Someone wanna draw me some new avatars, please.

Power from any source (radioactive, light, sound, etc) is proportional to reverse of squared distance. (1/r²).

Also - there is EMF and there is EMF, I mean, the frequencies/powers are different. One thing is a constant/slowly changing strong magnetic field. Which is usually contained in the motor, if it was not, the system would not be efficient.

And Moi, you advocated for light rail . Sitting in a tram or intercity electric train or subway train gives similar result as sitting in a Prius.

Another thing is a high frequency signal.

Trolleybus and so on is of the first kind. Relatively low frequency.

Wi-Fi, Cell phones is of the other. And those two different kinds of EMF work differently on tissues.

I do not touch bluetooth, cause it is very low power, compared with WiFi and Cell phone transmitters.

Moi, your jammer is 1.5W continuous power, on the same bands the phone transmits. Phone - 0.1W WiFi + up to 0.5W Cell, in pulses, it does not transmit continuously. I would be much more worried about sitting near your jammer .

Moi, you selling aluminum hats again???

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:06 pm Moi, you selling aluminum hats again???

That would compete against his jammer. Can't hear through the aluminum hats

fhunter wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:12 pm Power from any source (radioactive, light, sound, etc) is proportional to reverse of squared distance. (1/r²).

Also - there is EMF and there is EMF, I mean, the frequencies/powers are different. One thing is a constant/slowly changing strong magnetic field. Which is usually contained in the motor, if it was not, the system would not be efficient.

And Moi, you advocated for light rail . Sitting in a tram or intercity electric train or subway train gives similar result as sitting in a Prius.

Another thing is a high frequency signal.

Trolleybus and so on is of the first kind. Relatively low frequency.

Wi-Fi, Cell phones is of the other. And those two different kinds of EMF work differently on tissues.

I do not touch bluetooth, cause it is very low power, compared with WiFi and Cell phone transmitters.

Moi, your jammer is 1.5W continuous power, on the same bands the phone transmits. Phone - 0.1W WiFi + up to 0.5W Cell, in pulses, it does not transmit continuously. I would be much more worried about sitting near your jammer .

YES Jammer Toxicity occurred to me

That a frequency is a tuned, pure frequency makes it seem like it would hit on some organic molecule or atomic structure that resonates at that frequency. Similar to an MMR and hydrogen atom's spin. Not healthy to ones biology and how harmless ?

Seriously,

please write me a review for dummies of

low frequency, high frequency, biological consequences, where these frequencies occur.

Please.

Americans have had a distrust of living near high voltage lines. And it was about the "radiations".

As kids we were always told to sit some ten feet back from that B & W cathode ray TV screen.

Not that we ever did sit that far back.

But, with the advent of Cell phones, more towers, electric cars and electricity generating cars,

their has been no discussion or measurements of EMF exposure.

Thanks fhunter.

And PAH-Leeze don't get me started on the Aluminum Foil Hat Party, our way out of the RepubloCratic duality monopoly. Wess musen'ts bee political hsss, no , no political don't get me started he seez

the moderatorhsss, they bait, they bait like sweet fishies, ( inspired by Gollum speak)

Never heard of a cell phone jammer. What's the purpose? I have an old Motorola Razor too, had it since around '01. I don't text but it must take texts because every once in a while it says "new text message". I just delete them. My grand kids think I'm odd because I don't text or take pictures with my phone. I tell them, "why would I take a picture with my phone? I don't make phone calls with my camera". I've also made it almost 70 yrs. without GPS and travelled almost the entire country with a compass and a Walmart road atlas. All this iphone, ipad, aps stuff is just useless expensive wastes of time to me.

I've seen entire families sit in restaurants and not talk to each other. They're all staring at those damn phones. I tell my grand kids if we're in a restaurant and they use their phone I'll take it in the restroom and flush it down the toilet. I've seen people cross the street and never even look, too busy with that damn phone. When I bitched about it once and my son said, "they have the right of way." I said, "cemeteries are full of stupid people who had the right of way."