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Re: matthew 19:12

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:01 pm
by Hash (imported)
Castration did/does remove sexual desire and that would stop one from committing sexual sins according to the Bible. Multiple passages tell Christians not to commit sexual sin:

Galatians 5:19 - "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;"

Ephesians 5:3 - "But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people."

Colossians 3:5 - "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry."

Controlling your sexual urges as we know is not easy, castration would eliminate 90% of those urges or more, so by being castrated you could keep your self sexually pure.

Re: matthew 19:12

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:04 pm
by Sweetpickle (imported)
I think this discussion requires that castration be divided into literal and figurative parts.

I think that bible passage is speaking of figurative castration, that is anyone who

consistently restrains from sexual intercourse, as a eunuch.

If a literal eunuch indulges in sexual practices I don't think he would fit into the

intent of this bible passage.

The passage is addressing the question of sin associated with sex, in this case

some types of biblically forbidden practices. If you never engage in sex then

you cannot turn a woman into a whore.

Re: matthew 19:12

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:13 pm
by Origen (imported)
Hash (imported) wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:01 pm Castration did/does remove sexual desire and that would stop one from committing sexual sins according to the Bible. Multiple passages tell Christians not to commit sexual sin:

Galatians 5:19 - "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;"

Ephesians 5:3 - "But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people."

Colossians 3:5 - "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry."

Controlling your sexual urges as we know is not easy, castration would eliminate 90% of those urges or more, so by being castrated you could keep your self sexually pure.

Wouldn't it be good if people worried as much about greed as they do about 'sexual immorality"...

Re: matthew 19:12

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:32 pm
by Origen (imported)
εὐνοῦχος , ὁ, (εὐνή, ἔχω)

A. castrated person, eunuch, employed to take charge of the women and act as chamberlain (whence the name, ὁ τὴν εὐνὴν ἔχων), Hdt.3.130, al., Ar.Ach. 117, X.Cyr.7.5.60, etc.

2. of animals, Philostr.Her.1.3, Sch.Par.A.R.1.585.

3. of dates, without stones, Arist.Fr.267:—Pythag. name for θρίδαξ, Lycusap. Ath.2.69e.

II. as Adj., watching the bed, sleepless, “λαμπάδες εὐνούχοισιν ὄμμασιν” S.Fr.789.

Re: matthew 19:12

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:43 pm
by Paolo
Thank you, oh scholarly readers! :)

Re: matthew 19:12

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:18 am
by lust-ocd (imported)
Hash (imported) wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:01 pm Castration did/does remove sexual desire and that would stop one from committing sexual sins according to the Bible. Multiple passages tell Christians not to commit sexual sin:

Galatians 5:19 - "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;"

Ephesians 5:3 - "But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people."

Colossians 3:5 - "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry."

Controlling your sexual urges as we know is not easy, castration would eliminate 90% of those urges or more, so by being castrated you could keep your self sexually pure.

Yep, there's loads of them. Here's a few more that spring to mind -

1 Peter 2:11 (KJV)

Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

Galatians 5:16-17 (KJV)

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. [17] For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Galatians 5:24 (KJV)

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Romans 8:1 (KJV)

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Galatians 6:8 (KJV)

For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

lust ruined my live, and the lives of others. It led to adultery, porn addiction, prostitutes, and worse. i'm now disgusted with myself and hate lust with a passion, hence my desire to become a eunuch. i once lived for lust, but now i want to live for love, with a clean heart and concience. Lust, once my greatest pleasure, has somehow become my own personal hell and torment.

Darth Paulo, if you strike this post down, i shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

Re: matthew 19:12

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:56 am
by Riverwind (imported)
I believe that DARTH PAOLO would have killed this thread long ago if that was the LORDS intent however a WARNING keep it to references not opinion.

the LORDS assistant,

River

Re: matthew 19:12

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:06 am
by Paolo
I don't mind the quotes. It's no worse than quoting anything else, say...a cookbook.

Just don't start preaching and telling us we're all going to hell.

Please respect each others' beliefs, and it'll be just fine.
lust-ocd (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:18 am Galatians 5:24 (KJV)

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

You can't describe castration much better than that, can you?!

:)

Thank you.

Re: matthew 19:12

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:32 pm
by lust-ocd (imported)
Paolo wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:43 pm Thank
Paolo wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:06 am you, oh scholarly readers! :)

I don't mind the quotes. It's no worse than quoting anything else, say...a cookbook.

Just don't start preaching and telling us we're all going to hell.

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Paolo wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:06 am (KJV)

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ections and lusts.

You can't describe castration much better than that, can you?!

:)

Thank you.

Exactly! One man preaches abelief in Christ, yet still continues to walk after the lust of the flesh in hypocracy. Another man still doesn't know what he believes, yet has made himself a eunuch and stopped walking after the lust of the flesh. i wonder which one God will be pleased with, he that flapped his lips but continued lusting, or he that actually did the will of God as pertaining to Galations 5:24 and put lust to death? :)

Re: matthew 19:12

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:38 pm
by Dave (imported)
lust-ocd (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:32 pm Exactly! One man preaches abelief in Christ, yet still continues to walk after the lust of the flesh in hypocracy. Another man still doesn't know what he believes, yet has made himself a eunuch and stopped walking after the lust of the flesh. i wonder which one God will be pleased with, he that flapped his lips but continued lusting, or he that actually did the will of God as pertaining to Galations 5:24 and put lust to death? :)

WE DON'T WANT TO KNOW.

Take my hint and be quiet, please.