Slavery and the Confederacy

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There was indeed slavery in the North for years, although by the time of the Civil war it was quite rare. What gets me are the claims that the Civil War was not about slavery, and that is not why the confederacy was formed.... The majority of Southern states mentioned the preservation of slavery as a reason for succession in their declarations of succession.
Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:32 pm Let us not forget the the north also had slaves and indentured servants up until the US declared independence and then some of them were grandfathered it so states like NY still had slaves of a sort until the 1800's.

It was a dirty business for sure and all sides profited from the slave trade.

Interesting point, in the Constitution they count slaves as 3/5th of a person, that was put in by the north not the south.

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Anyone else see the movie

C.S.A. ?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389828/

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moi621 (imported) wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:47 pm Anyone else see the movie

C.S.A. ?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389828/

Moi

I've seen it a few times. Very strange yet fascinating at the same time.
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Wolf-Pup (imported) wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:29 pm I've seen it a few times. Very strange yet fascinating at the same time.

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Milkman (imported) wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:48 pm There was indeed slavery in the North for years, although by the time of the Civil war it was quite rare. What gets me are the claims that the Civil War was not about slavery, and that is not why the confederacy was formed.... The majority of Southern states mentioned the preservation of slavery as a reason for succession in their declarations of succession.

Right, the Civil War was about slavery, period.

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MacTheWolf (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:54 am While researching Confederate officers during the War Between the States, I discovered that three of the most famous and efficient Confederate Generals were never slave holders.

The three were Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson and Jeb Stuart. In fact, all three men were abolitionists before the war started.

I think your research is faulty. The slaves that Lee emancipated were those of his father-in-law, and that was in accord with the terms of Mr. Custis's will. There is no evidence that Lee emancipated slaves on his own. In his letters to his wife, Lee does acknowledge, like most privileged Southerners of the time, that slavery was an evil, but he also held that blacks were better off as slaves in America than as free men in Africa, and that slavery was God's way of giving blacks the necessary discipline and education they lacked in their natural state.

That's a pretty condescending attitude and morally repugnant, accepting the fruits of slavery but blaming it all on God. After the war, Lee was accused of flogging slaves, particularly Mary Norris. A former slave affirmed that Lee whipped slaves, but specifically noted that Mary Norris was not whipped. Lee stated that such claims were untrue. You will note that the claims are unspecified. Is Lee denying that he flogged slaves (the claim made by the deponent), that he flogged Mary Norris (the claim made by Mrs. Norris and also denied by the deponent), or denying that he didn't flog Mary Norris (the claim made by the deponent, but disputed by Mrs. Norris)?

If Lee actually disliked slavery but nevertheless took up arms against the nation that educated him and whose Constitution he had sworn before God to preserve, protect, and defend in order to preserve a state's right to maintain an institution he disliked (that was the only "states' right" that was in question; marriage to fourteen-year-old cousins in Kentucky and Texas was not in jeopardy) then Lee must have had the moral development of a hyena.
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You can cloak it in states rights arguments, but there still is a bottom line.
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gareth19 (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:26 pm I think your research is faulty. The slaves that Lee emancipated were those of his father-in-law, and that was in accord with the terms of Mr. Custis's will. There is no evidence that Lee emancipated slaves on his own. In his letters to his wife, Lee does acknowledge, like most privileged Southerners of the time, that slavery was an evil, but he also held that blacks were better off as slaves in America than as free men in Africa, and that slavery was God's way of giving blacks the necessary discipline and education they lacked in their natural state.

That's a pretty condescending attitude and morally repugnant, accepting the fruits of slavery but blaming it all on God. After the war, Lee was accused of flogging slaves, particularly Mary Norris. A former slave affirmed that Lee whipped slaves, but specifically noted that Mary Norris was not whipped. Lee stated that such claims were untrue. You will note that the claims are unspecified. Is Lee denying that he flogged slaves (the claim made by the deponent), that he flogged Mary Norris (the claim made by Mrs. Norris and also denied by the deponent), or denying that he didn't flog Mary Norris (the claim made by the deponent, but disputed by Mrs. Norris)?

If Lee actually disliked slavery but nevertheless took up arms against the nation that educated him and whose Constitution he had sworn before God to preserve, protect, and defend in order to preserve a state's right to maintain an institution he disliked (that was the only "states' right" that was in question; marriage to fourteen-year-old cousins in Kentucky and Texas was not in jeopardy) then Lee must have had the moral development of a hyena.

Amongst relationships between people, slavery like marriage are amongst the oldest and mentioned in the Bible.

Blame God! It's his Bible.

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In the mid 19th century, life was much more rooted in states and towns than it is today. The Union was an abstraction, while people's lives were lived in their towns. Loyalty is greater to home and family and community than to anything else. Remember that the British citizens who rebelled against the Crown in 1776 were also traitors.
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MacTheWolf (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:54 am While researching Confederate officers during the War Between the States, I discovered that three of the most famous and efficient Confederate Generals were never slave holders.

The three were Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson and Jeb Stuart. In fact, all three men were abolitionists before the war started.

It's not "The War Between the States", it's the American Civil War. This is an attempt of the Southern States to rewrite history by calling it something else.

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