• Tamoxifen

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:40 am**

loveableleopardy (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:27 am Hkeunuch, your shared experiences really give me some hope with this drug. I think I am a little similar to you (though perhaps naturally slightly lower sex drive), with taking significant proportions of Androcur mostly wiping out my sex drive, but not 100%. Also the Tamoxifen could maybe have me feeling a little stronger too; I've had a number of headaches lately. My guess is that my testosterone level is very low, but for me that's a good thing.

On a slightly side topic, has anyone experienced masturbation where they can kinda get hard, but it actually hurts to go further and go all the way? This seems to have been Androcur's effect on me this time. It has been a full month tomorrow since a proper ejaculation, and I haven't even been tempted to view bad stuff this week, so I am going nicely into a sexless state.

Hi I have been taking tamoxifen for six months now as androcur was giving me a lot of breast pain and i felt they were getting bigger something i didn't want, since taking tamoxifen i no longer get any breast pain and they haven't got any bigger, and also i now have no sex drive at all, nothing excites me sexually, i am not sure if this is because i have been on androcur for longer or if it is due to the tamoxifen combined with it, either way i am now at the nonsexual level that i want.

My last masturbation on androcur was two and a half months after i started with it, it left me feeling so ill and exhausted and took two days to recover my energy levels i haven't tried since, and now i have no desire to at all.

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:32 pm**

Tamoxifen lowered my sex drive when I took it. Even though it does slightly increase testosterone, because it lowers the body's ability to absorb its natural estrogen, it seems to almost have the effect of feeling less testosterone. See, estrogen actually enhances how well testosterone works in men. So less estrogen, and especially no estrogen at all, will almost always lower sex drive and even make some men impotent if thy are missing enough estrogen. Ive known men with testosterone levels of over 10 men, who suddenly became impotent when they lowered their estrogen level too far.

Posted: **Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:47 pm**

Thanks guys for more info on Tamoxifen. I took my first pill this morning (the colour is white not green, it just looked that way in the packaging). I have not collapsed or anything! 2 pills of Androcur later in the day. I should get a general idea on how I am feeling on the combination early next week. What I am reading about the combination having a strong sexless effect is positive. As discussed often, sex drive seems to be mostly a negative to/for me, so whilst heading down this road of no return (if I walk down it for long enough) is a little scary, I feel that it is my right path.

Posted: **Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:45 am**

I have taken just the 3 pills thus far.

Like what some have said, it's possible that it's initial reaction was to make me a little hornier. Yesterday I masturbated and properly ejaculated for the first time in one month and two days. That is a long time! It still hurt a bit to do it and there wasn't much sperm at all. I was puffing and panting a lot. It took heaps out of me. The Androcur has been doing its job.

Today my balls felt a little sore and tight; I guess from putting them through that yesterday. I again had a near headache; I get regular blurred vision; it's just a side effect of low T that I have to put up with. At lunchtime I came home and walked my dog - it was nice and sunny - but then as soon as I was back at work I was pretty stuffed. I took a nurofen and that helped after a while. Tomorrow I am going to change my schedule. Androcur-Tamoxifen-Androcur rather than taking Tam at the start. I should take And when I am best able to deal with it, and that's when I am at home. I am thinking that I can take 150mg of Androcur on the weekends. For now I remain on a tablet a day of Tamoxifen (10mg I think), but it may just be that in future I only take a couple of them a week. Just a matter of trial and error. Like we all say, your mileage may vary. But I already know that for me, Androcur works pretty damn well.

Posted: **Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:52 pm**

as of today has been 15 days since I started to take this drug. Effectively, it induces Erectile Dysfunction, as of today, my erections are much muchy softer, and my cock wilts away even when jerking off. I almost have no cum and it takes a lot to cum. My cock has almost no sensation and it naturally, doesn´t get erect. Also, I feel a lot of disgust about food, almost no food I am eating.

Posted: **Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:57 am**

Impotentus, are you taking Androcur or any other medication as well as Tamoxifen? With me I haven't noticed any down turn with food desire, but then again I don't eat all that much anyhoo. I think it is good that we can be sharing our experiences together.

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:18 am**

My exploration into various meds is continuing.

Last night my sexual side snapped within me, and I spent a large period viewing porn. I ejaculated, just as I had eight days earlier. Again, it wasn't exactly a total breeze to do this. And today I have a lot of shortness of breathe, especially after just taking my dog for a walk. But that's a good sign I believe, that my body is close to the edge of not being able to masturbate at all.

Because for all of last week I didn't flinch. Despite access whenever I liked to the evils online, I never succombed. I knew it was there, yet I wasn't tempted. It's almost certain that I couldn't have gone a whole week without viewing porn earlier in the year (when/if with unlimited access), which is why I refused to allow myself to have laptop internet access when I moved out of home. But now I am definitely gettting there. More and more, I am being less sexualised.

I am still often on the edge of headaches, but that's also partly my job; sitting in front of a computer all day is especially not great when you consider yourself a writer in your spare time too. So I could look into getting glasses at some point. General energy levels are often reasonable. I played 9 holes of golf with a couple of friends on Saturday. I never hit the ball far anyway, but I haven't lost any strength as far as swinging the club goes, and I copped okay with the walking.

Since beginning on Tamoxifen I have cut back on Androcur. To 700mg a week. I was on 150 and 200mg a day for a while. I don't want to return to 200mg - high levels can be a risk to the liver apparently - but this weekend I will start on 150mg a day, just for the weekends. So that would be 800mg a week. At the moment I am in a great position as far as supplies go. Plenty on me, and know that I can order new batches in within a fortnight no worries. It's a big difference to where I was at March/April.

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:03 am**

loveableleopardy (imported) wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:18 am My exploration into various meds is continuing.

Last night my sexual side snapped within me, and I spent a large period viewing porn. I ejaculated, just as I had eight days earlier. Again, it wasn't exactly a total breeze to do this. And today I have a lot of shortness of breathe, especially after just taking my dog for a walk. But that's a good sign I believe, that my body is close to the edge of not being able to masturbate at all.

Because for all of last week I didn't flinch. Despite access whenever I liked to the evils online, I never succombed. I knew it was there, yet I wasn't tempted. It's almost certain that I couldn't have gone a whole week without viewing porn earlier in the year (when/if with unlimited access), which is why I refused to allow myself to have laptop internet access when I moved out of home. But now I am definitely gettting there. More and more, I am being less sexualised.

I am still often on the edge of headaches, but that's also partly my job; sitting in front of a computer all day is especially not great when you consider yourself a writer in your spare time too. So I could look into getting glasses at some point. General energy levels are often reasonable. I played 9 holes of golf with a couple of friends on Saturday. I never hit the ball far anyway, but I haven't lost any strength as far as swinging the club goes, and I copped okay with the walking.

Since beginning on Tamoxifen I have cut back on Androcur. To 700mg a week. I was on 150 and 200mg a day for a while. I don't want to return to 200mg - high levels can be a risk to the liver apparently - but this weekend I will start on 150mg a day, just for the weekends. So that would be 800mg a week. At the moment I am in a great position as far as supplies go. Plenty on me, and know that I can order new batches in within a fortnight no worries. It's a big difference to where I was at March/April.

Why are you taking Tamoxifen if you want to be less horny. Tamoxifen makes you MORE horny. It is used by male bodybuilders to restart testosterone production after a cycle of testosterone injections. I take it daily, but do it for increasing my testosterone. It pretends to be estrogen and does a few things: it tricks body into thinking it has estrogen so slows the conversion of testoterone to estrogen (aromatization), it blocks estrogen receptors so that men stop growing breasts (used as cure for gynomastia), but it is close enough to estrogen to still help bone density and mood stabilization.

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:01 pm**

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:03 am Why are you taking Tamoxifen if you want to be less horny. Tamoxifen makes you MORE horny. It is used by male bodybuilders to restart testosterone production after a cycle of testosterone injections. I take it daily, but do it for increasing my testosterone. It pretends to be estrogen and does a few things: it tricks body into thinking it has estrogen so slows the conversion of testoterone to estrogen (aromatization), it blocks estrogen receptors so that men stop growing breasts (used as cure for gynomastia), but it is close enough to estrogen to still help bone density and mood stabilization.

As far as I know, Tamoxifen WOULD make you more horny if only Tamoxifen was being taken. But when it's taken in conjunction with an anti-androgen such as Androcur, both testosterone and estrogen are suppressed. The estrogen is not produced as a result (thanks to the Tamoxifen). The body can also not convert testosterone into estrogen by way of aromatization, because there is no testosterone (thanks to the anti-androgen). From what I understand, this combination would result in a rapid loss of sex-drive. More so than just with anti-androgen by itself.

Posted: **Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:25 am**

This is what HumanFly said:

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HumanFly (imported) wrote: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:55 am It's used in conjunction with Androcur (or generic) to eliminate the oestrogen that may be in the body and unchallenged by testosterone when you take Androcur. It thus blocks feminisation and has been said to eliminate what is left of the sex drive *after* taking Androcur. Nobody ever said it reduced sex drive or erections on its own.

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And what Yoomeez2 says also explains my reasons for taking it SplitDik. Well kinda.

I am not sure if Tamoxifen is for me, but it is only early days. I certainly don't mind it. I think an even greater rapid loss of sex drive is possible with the combination of drugs. Also I am sort of on this mini cruscade to remove my adultness, or adult hormones if you like. If puberty contributes to a greater difficulty in finding happiness than maybe adult hormones are the reason? So I am a bit interested in anti testosterone and anti estrogen medication for that reason. Or are there any other adult hormones (I don't know much about this)? Basically what I do is with a view of achieving greater happiness. Though this achievement or not doesn't necessarily have too much to do with being chemically castrated or not I guess. It's really to do with quality human interaction/s. I have had many happy moments in recent days with this, and this morning I was really beaming for quite sometime; it's been a while since I was like that, and it felt great. I can certainly be happy whilst taking this drug concoction, so that's another positive.

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