Wolf-Pup (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:39 pm On the other hand, only the old testament is communally agreed upon, so lets keep that and scrap the rest

I'm sorry Wolf-Pup. The Old Testament is controversial too. Books are centuries later written than the times they describe and many parts are seen as intentional forgery by rabbis. Beside that the Old Testament has a lot common with less known writings of other religions in the Middle East and the eastern Mediterranean of that time. In many cases the O T is the variation of an other original.

Sandi is a revelation, Hash...And the Bible is a collection of selected writings, written by cavemen and selected by men only slightly less cave dwelling-like

Know why there was very little suicide back then? You can't jump from a cave...Hehe . Please excuse my caustic thinking..It's mingled with reality...smooches all Jackie

Arab Nights (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:11 pm There was a newspaper story today about finding a small piece with reference to Jesus having a wife. The article making oblique reference to there being a lot of argument in the first century or two of Christianity about the role of sexuality, celibacy and marriage in Christianity.

Can anyone briefly summarize that?

SURE...

Archie Bunker-type analysis...

Yore Priests were mostly Gay and nuns if not lesbian went by twos so as one nun made sure the other nun didn't git none. Mostly they were all ugly children. All claimed celibacy and if they had sex it was a secret between them, their Priest and God. God didn't want sex but sometimes Priests did. Anybody who told of a Preist having sex were a Satan possessed automatic liar who needed an exorcism.

Yer workin' class was allowed to marry and to work so that they could support the church. They could not use birth control so they could make up for the ones who were not allowed to have children.

Any young little boys who were caught experimenting with sex were castrated and forced to sing in the choirs. Any young girls who were caught experimenting with sex were forced to become prostitutes when they got a little older.

Anybody who protested this system were burnt at the stake as witches.

Then the Protestant system got started and things got a lot worse...

I am off post on my own post, but here goes. It is kind of interesting how religious folks are viewed by regular folks. I have several years living and working in Latin America and there seems to be this universal joke of Catholic priests being oversexed. In Peru I was wandering thru some shops and one had these wooden figures. I was idly looking at them and the shop keeper pointed out the one of a priest. A pretty rough wooden statue with a brown smock. There was a string with an eyelet at the back of the head. He invited me to pull the string, which I did. The string pulled a wooden dick to the horizontal position. We stopped once in Mexico to look at some historic adobe church ruins. The adobe walls had two crude doors. One of the Mexicans was peeking thru the door cracks. I asked if the priest was in. He said, "No, otherwise there would be an orgy inside."

It is kind of interesting how religion veers between the extremes of control of sexuality and religious figures being a universal source of ridicule for their sexuality.