I knew this was going to be a fun thread, I did not know I would get so many laughs from it.

I would like all of you to note I did not take any side as to if Dick had a heart? the real question is did he ever have one before?

OH and thank you Mac, for a never ending source of entertainment.

River

When he passes away, who is going to schedule the "Dance on the Grave"?



Alas, civility. I remember when.

Slammr (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:37 pm Why am I not surprised that Mac didn't get it?

Yes, I get it. His values and actions may have been objectionable to many.

We all at times act in ways that are objectionable to somebody.

I never said that he deserved grace and compassion.

My point: how can we ask for grace and compassion for ourselves if we are unwilling to have the same for others?

Mac, I am sure we all have more compassion for him then he has for anybody, maybe his new heart will make a difference because his old one was dead long before they removed it.

River

The only reason I can see for compassion for Dick is that, as far as I know, he will not be able to use

his new heart to further his evil plots and plans.

I am reminded of Demjamjuk the death camp guard. Once he got to the point he couldn't harm people anymore

theres no point in wishing him any further ill.

Likewise Cheney now seems unlikely to be able to promote further torture and killing of those who resist his will.

So I hope the new heart will give him time to sit around and ruminate on his past sins against humanity.

I agree however I don't think the man has a conscience unfortunately that was not replaced.

River

All your hatred and bile will have precisely zero effect on Mr. Cheney. Being the person he is, if anything, it would give him pleasure. It will, however give you ulcers and raise your blood pressure and shrivel your soul. Hatred burns its vessel far more than its object.

We forgive, not for the benefit of those we hate, but for the peace of our own soul.

Transward

Mac (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:01 pm Yes, I get it. His values and actions may have been objectionable to many.

We all at times act in ways that are objectionable to somebody.

I never said that he deserved grace and compassion.

My point: how can we ask for grace and compassion for ourselves if we are unwilling to have the same for others?

Would someone else please explain to Mac what just went on in this thread. I'm not going to try. He obviously still doesn't understand, even after Dave's excellent explanation.

All I'll say about Mac is, "What Dave said..." (in another thread.)

transward (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:28 pm All your hatred and bile will have precisely zero effect on Mr. Cheney. Being the person he is, if anything, it would give him pleasure. It will, however give you ulcers and raise your blood pressure and shrivel your soul. Hatred burns its vessel far more than its object.

We forgive, not for the benefit of those we hate, but for the peace of our own soul.

Transward

If you think I waste my time and energy on hatred for Cheney, you're mistaken. Any longer - now that he's out of power - he's a joke. I won't waste hatred - or compassion - on him. The only time I think about Cheney is when he's mentioned on TV, and then my thought is, "What a fucking idiot."

Many like him evoke disgust from me, but I can't think of any of them that evokes hatred from me.

transward (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:28 pm All your hatred and bile will have precisely zero effect on Mr. Cheney. Being the person he is, if anything, it would give him pleasure. It will, however give you ulcers and raise your blood pressure and shrivel your soul. Hatred burns its vessel far more than its object.

We forgive, not for the benefit of those we hate, but for the peace of our own soul.

Transward

You are of course right, the Rev. Tutu wrote a wonderful book on forgiveness which you captured the essence of. We forgive to let go, its for us and when we do it unconditionally were free.

but

Cheney is still a heartless bastard.

River