Twinsenboy, indeed stories about priests and church employees that abused children are showing up daily now, and in many countries, showing that it is a widespread and long standing practice. The catholic church will have to take real action, and not just move the culprits from their current jobs to other jobs, other places, or into seclusion.

Yesterday I read the complete abstract of the report done in the Netherlands. It's held in a quite detached, objective tone, and stresses that while the numbers of abuse cases is large, the percentage of children abused is still small, considering how many went through church institutions. It also exposes that child abuse is quite common outside the church too, but that inside the church it's twice as common. Interesting.

But what sets this story apart is not that 10,000 to 30,000 children were abused to varying extents by church people in Holland over several decades, but that several boys were castrated, apparently as covert punishment after they cried for help. This is what exceeds everything we are accustomed to see happen inside the church!

As far as I know, before these ones, the most recent cases of the catholic church getting involved in the castration of boys were at least 150 years ago, and weren't a punishment, but an "improvement", to keep them singing... And now these much more recent cases in Holland show up, with boys being castrated for reasons that are far less reasonable than the preservation of a high voice, however weak that musical reason might be!

As I understood it, the report avoided mentioning the castrations, limiting coverage to the more moderate cases of abuse, and the castrations were made public by a newsman rather than by the authors of the report. Now I'm waiting to see if additional cases show up, or if perhaps it turns out that the castrations weren't true at all. Let's wait and see.

There is one more thing: While I read quickly through the long abstract of the report, I think I saw that the commission learned about roughly 1700 cases of child abuse, and applied statistic methods to extrapolate this and arrive at an estimated total number of 10,000 to 30,000 cases. Under the same logic and methods, the 10 castration cases mentioned might be extrapolated to perhaps roughly 100? Or is that figure of ten cases already extrapolated from a single report of one case?

Given that this supposedly happened in the 1950s, many of the victims should still be alive and lucid. It would be interesting if they spoke up and told the world what really happened.

I will keep checking the news, as time allows.

Yeah. It's the priests etc. who should be castrated, and they know it themselves as well, and that's WHY they did it too, trying to twist their mental and spiritual sickness onto helpless already abused children. I wonder if Karma (consequences) has been busy..

Twinsenboy (imported) wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:14 pm Yeah. It's the priests etc. who should be castrated, and they know it themselves as well, and that's WHY they did it too, trying to twist their mental and spiritual sickness onto helpless already abused children. I wonder if Karma (consequences) has been busy..

Your are being too kind, after castration they should get a estrogen implant and penectormy followed after a year with breast augmentation surgery to EEE cup size, and then put in the general male prison population. (Me evil)

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Fuck, this is really threatening to ruin my fiction fetish!

_g (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:05 am Your are being too kind, after castration they should get a estrogen implant and penectormy followed after a year with breast augmentation surgery to EEE cup size, and then put in the general male prison population. (Me evil)

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You evil...Me first...What you're suggesting is actually something that might interest me. (with the possible exception of the prison part) smooches Jackie

The story turned up in today's NY Times -

March 20, 2012

Dutch Church Is Accused of Castrating Young Men

By STEPHEN CASTLE

BRUSSELS — A young man in the care of the Roman Catholic Church in the Netherlands was surgically castrated decades ago after complaining about sexual abuse, according to new evidence that only adds to the scandal engulfing the church there.

The case, which dates from the 1950s, has increased pressure for a government-led inquiry into sexual abuse in the Dutch church, amid suspicions that as many as 10 young men may have suffered the same fate.

“This case is especially painful because it concerns a victim who was victimized for a second time,” said Peter Nissen, a professor of the history of religion at Radboud University in the Netherlands. “He had the courage to go to the police and was castrated.”

It is unclear, however, whether the reported castration was performed as a punishment for whistle-blowing or what was seen as a treatment for homosexuality.

In 2010, about 2,000 people complained of abuse by priests, church institutions or religious orders in the Netherlands after the Roman Catholic Church commissioned an inquiry. It finally concluded that the number of actual victims over several decades could be 10 times higher.

That committee, led by Wim Deetman, a former education minister, was presented with evidence of the castration case when it was contacted by a friend of the young man, who was castrated in 1956, two years before his death in a road accident.

Since the case emerged, the Deetman Commission has issued a detailed justification of its actions, contending that it was unable to reach any conclusions on the case from the evidence at its disposal.

The victim, Henk Heithuis, lived in Catholic institutions from infancy after being taken into care. When he complained about sexual abuse to the police, Mr. Heithuis, 20 at the time, was transferred to a Catholic psychiatric hospital before being admitted to the St. Joseph Hospital in Veghel, where he was castrated.

Cornelius Rogge, a sculptor whose family became friends with Mr. Heithuis, informed the Deetman Commission about the case, contacting an investigative journalist and author, Joep Dohmen, when there was no clear sign of a follow-up.

On Dutch television, Mr. Rogge described how he knew that the castration had taken place and said he believed that there were other victims.

“We once asked Henk to drop his pants when the women were not present,” Mr. Rogge said. “He did that. He was totally maimed. That was a huge shock for us, of course.”

Mr. Heithuis had also described his ordeal verbally, Mr. Rogge said.

“He was strapped to a bed,” Mr. Rogge said, describing Mr. Heithuis’s statement. “In one stroke, his scrotum was cut out. Then he was taken to an infirmary to rest and recover. Then the other boys received the same treatment. He could hear them screaming.”

Mr. Dohmen, the investigative journalist who broke the news in the daily NRC Handelsblad, said that correspondence from the 1950s and Mr. Heithuis’s testimony to Mr. Rogge suggested that there could have been an additional nine cases. Mr. Dohmen said he uncovered another case. A gay man, who had not been abused, was also castrated, he said. That man has asked that his identity not be made public.

Mr. Dohmen said he could not provide further evidence of the other possible victims.

In an e-mailed comment, Mr. Rogge said he believed that the castration was a punishment.

Mr. Dohmen said that the man accused of abusing Mr. Heithuis was investigated but not prosecuted. He was transferred to Nova Scotia, where he started a home for boys.

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bobover3 (imported) wrote: Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:42 am Mr. Dohmen said that the man accused of abusing Mr. Heithuis was investigated but not prosecuted. He was transferred to Nova Scotia, where he started a home for boys.

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Yeah.. Um.

“He was strapped to a bed,”

bobover3 (imported) wrote: Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:42 am Mr. Rogge said, describing Mr. Heithuis’s statement. “In one stroke, his scrotum was cut out. Then he was taken to an infirmary to rest and recover. Then the other boys received the same treatment. He could hear them screaming.

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So was this "surgery" performed without anaesthetic? It just gets worse.

Apparently. As he said the kid had heard the other subjects screaming.

“He was strapped to a bed,”

bobover3 (imported) wrote: Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:42 am Mr. Rogge said, describing Mr. Heithuis’s statement. “In one stroke, his scrotum was cut out. Then he was taken to an infirmary to rest and recover. Then the other boys received the

eunuch2001 (imported) wrote: Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:50 am same treatment. He could hear them screaming.

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So was this "surg

ery" performed without anaesthetic? It just gets worse.

To bad burning at the stake is out of fashion as is drawing and quartering.

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