• gasoline hit a new record in our area...$4.24 a gallon

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:14 pm**

Dave (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:47 pm I did show restraint. (this is said in jest).

YOu have no idea what the first draft of that post looked like peppered with profanity and laced with metaphors and similes that were much, much less than polite. ... It was emotionally satisfying but unpublishable.

Like you, I am aware that gas prices have cycled up and down over time. However, they are now approcahing the all time summer price highs and are predicted to go much higher; and it is only the beginning of March. I just stated a price comparison from 2008 to show the current rise without indicating any blame.

If I wanted to play that blame game I could site articles where Obama has imposed a ban on offshore drilling, on the Canadian oil pipeline, on drilling on federal lands, etc. It is a matter of what articles one cherry-picks to prove a point. Take your pick.

You blamed Bush for everything which happened during his presidency and these first years of Obama's presidency. Why do you not blame Obama for the events during his time?

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:17 pm**

No Comment..I no longer make political comments on this forum.This is not intended as political just a observation not to expect help with gasoline prices this time around...I think it is a good Idea to wean people off oil and I congratulate the guy for being honest ....the only bad thing it hurts farmers bottom line and seriously increases the price of food.

The increases in food prices will occur in august and September...my brother milks cows and milk is already on the way up.

Dave (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:40 pm BEFORE we get too far along in this thread.

You really are the most frustratingly dumb person in the world that I come in contact with.

every single fucking president that I worked for changed the Energy Policy of the USA when they hit office and not a single GD one of them ever put a coherent, unified policy into place.

Ford didn't need it but CARTER (Thanks to what country fucked us up then? IRAN, what country is fucking us over now- IRAN) put all sorts of research and replacement technology into play. Reagan came in and took all the money away from it and converted it to Star Wars and government subsidized oil company research. George HW Bush got in and had to fight a war to keep Kuwait free (because that would have really screwed everything) and never once asked Americans to drive more efficient cars, in fact, he said the USA car industry would die if they dared to increase the mileage efficiency of cars. GUESS WHAT, big gas guzzling cars didn't sell.

Clinton gets in and we have eight years of maybe better stuff but still, since the Republicans paid more attention to Clinton's penis than his policies, nothing much happened. The miracle of the Gingrich revolution was the gift of bigger gas guzzlers like the HUMMER and the 10 mpg trucks it became fashionable to ride around town and park at malls. GW Bush is so bad I just won't continue to think of curses to lay upon his idiot policies -- two wars in the oil producing region of the world didn't help.

I retired before Obama was elected.

LEt's look at the facts:

1) First permit OK'd for oil drilling in Alaska reserve

http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... 1PPBMzY3fY

2. President Barack Obama announced will lift a 20-year ban on offshore oil and natural gas drilling and exploration, hoping to create jobs, generate revenue and reduce the United States' dependence on foreign oil.

http://moneymorning.com/2010/04/01/drilling-ban/

3. Drill, Baby, Drill Fails: Obama Presides Over Record Growth in Oil Rigs, Still Gets Blamed by GOP for High Oil Prices

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/08/3 ... gh-prices/

4. The US and Mexico have signed a deal that will allow oil companies in both countries to finally develop the oil-rich Gulf of Mexico.http://www.minyanville.com/businessmark ... z1oBKp4T9i

5. Drilling has returned to near-normal levels in the Gulf. There are 23 rigs currently drilling wells in water deeper than 3,000 feet, according to federal statistics. That is the same number as two years ago.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 14860.html

6. While a backlog of drilling permits in Washington continues to feed oil industry angst, new data shows that more rigs are in the Gulf of Mexico than before the BP oil spill, indicating that operators might have more confidence in the future than they are letting on.

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill ... re_in.html

7. Monthly crude production is at an all-time high:

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/e_ertrro_xr0_nus_cm.htm

8. Knoxville-based oil and gas company Tengasco Inc. on Wednesday said that 2011 drilling operations produced record volumes of oil and increased its proved reserves to 2.6 million barrels.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2012/feb/2 ... n-in-2011/

Now before all of you go and post those soft little turds of OIL PRICES on the walls as you throw any old shit that comes to mind...

READ A LITTLE BIT AND GET THE FACTS FIRST.

Surely your eyeballs have not shriveled up in your heads and only read FAUX news and Drudge?

Surely you can type "US oil production" into google and read the results.

I've heard uninformed garbage such as this for over thirty years and I"m tired of it. So I get a little rude when confronted with the equivalent of monkeys flinging poo-poo at the spectators.

I apologize now if I hurt anyone's tender, delicate little feelings...

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:27 pm**

I saw a post by a-1 with a prediction of 5$ a gallon for gasoline by 2012 almost 2 years ago..looks like he will be right on the mark.

Mac (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:14 pm Like you, I am aware that gas prices have cycled up and down over time. However, they are now approcahing the all time summer price highs and are predicted to go much higher; and it is only the beginning of March. I just stated a price comparison from 2008 to show the current rise without indicating any blame.

If I wanted to play that blame game I could site articles where Obama has imposed a ban on offshore drilling, on the Canadian oil pipeline, on drilling on federal lands, etc. It is a matter of what articles one cherry-picks to prove a point. Take your pick.

You blamed Bush for everything which happened during his presidency and these first years of Obama's presidency. Why do you not blame Obama for the events during his time?

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:41 pm**

When I filled my tank yesterday, it was $4.69 at all three stations in my area (about an hour and a half north of San Francisco). I pulled in to the one that had $4.59 on their sign, but they had already changed their pumps and came out to change the sign as I pulled in.

The problem is not higher demand – it's been going down. It's not lower U.S. production – which has been going up since 2008. I see our high prices as a conjunction of factors. One very important one that doesn't seem to be mentioned often is that petroleum is a commodity in international commerce. The international oil companies send it wherever they can make the highest profit. Last year refined petroleum products (gasoline, diesel, and aviation fuel) became the largest U.S. export by dollar valuation. Even with our high prices, the companies make more by exporting it than by keeping it here. The Keystone XL Pipeline is designed to move Canadian oil to a warm water port for easier export, not necessarily for the U.S. market.

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:46 pm**

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Mac (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:14 pm You blamed Bush for everything which happened during his presidency and these first years of Obama's presidency. Why do you not blame Obama for the events during his time?

Why yes I do.

And why?

Because he was the worst president in my time working for SIX presidents.

Now this is a thread about gasoline prices and with that about oil production in the USA.

The facts are that the USA has just become a net export of energy.

The facts are that stock market speculators are driving up the price of crude oil and gasoline.

The facts are that there are a few warmongers trying desperately to create a war with Iran.

Them's the facts. The price of gasoline is being shoved up our asses just for the sake of lining the pockets of some very rich bastards with cash...

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:56 pm**

sduyck_2000 (imported) wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:00 pm I was informed that CASE-IH has A new tractor out uses natural gas instead of diesel.....I told the salesman to get me one of those as soon as i get a place to fill it.

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BAck in the late 1990's and early 2000's, we put a team of researchers together to talk to local industry about using natural gas vehicles. Several public transport bus companies, cab services, FEDEX and UPS all said that if we (meaning DOE) built the filling stations, they would buy the fleet cars to use. We tried to get the funding but couldn't obtain it. There are many companies that would use the infrastructure if it was available.

One of the last ill-considered snafu's I saw like a week before I retired was the natural gas station they built on our grounds. We were about to receive a fleet of several dozen, dual-carbed, duel fuel, natural gas vehicles (they always had gasoline backups) and we needed the filling stations to make them work. We had offices 60 miles apart and those were the cars that everyone was to use to travel in between and to Washington DC (it's like 4 hours away from us)...

The station that some non-engineer bought and installed could fill four cars in eight hours only with supervision.

Talk about the definition of FUBAR and SNAFU and cluster fuck. check all of those boxes.

I know what you mean about that tractor.

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:57 pm**

What are u folks talking about.

Here in Sweden we have to pay 15:04 SEK per 1 liter, diesel

15:24 SEK per 1 liter, petrol/gas

One liter is 0,264 US gallon

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:10 pm**

That's about $US 9.00 per gallon. Seems to be pretty typical of much of Europe.

Posted: **Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:18 pm**

kristoff wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:10 pm That's about $US 9.00 per gallon. Seems to be pretty typical of much of Europe.

They should pay twice as much because they drive half as much miles!

Seems fair to me. And Western

should pay the least because the government guided those areas to automobiles while financing all that rail in the east.

Seems fair.

Posted: **Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:26 pm**

I paid a little over $8/gallon here in Mozambique today. The people here can afford these prices far less than us westerners here but I haven't heard anyone complain about the price! It's common to see small motor cycles all over the place (50 cc or less) and 20 people jammed in a toyota minivan or 12 people standing in the back of a samll truck. They make due and they don't waste fuel driving 300hp vehicles with one person in the vehicle.

The minimum wage here is about $120 US a month for a six day work week and I paid $4 for a quart of milk in a box. I have really found my time here to be a life changing experience and I will never look at things the same. We complain about 5 dollar/gallon petro and while others complain about getting Malaria for the second time this year (horrible sickness) and having water to drink that wont make you sick.

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