Update: The crushed sites in the skin are almost healed, within one week of the burdizzo I had lab tests and showed my Hormone levels decreased below the Normal range. i.e, (my lab tests showed 181 vice normal range is 246-800 for Normal Range with Kaiser. I will be starting on HRT Hormone patch soon. I am sastified with the clamping, the site where the clamp bit down on left a good mark, it has mostly healed but I believe dammage was done to the cords through the use of the tool. The cords can repair themselves in Humans yes, from what I heard. I had swelling for a few days afterwards of the clamping, I used frozen peas for the pain and the swelling. The crush sites did have some drainage from the clamping. stevesd

One theory as to how Burdizzo castration works, when it works is by creating sufficient pressure on the inner cells of the blood vessel linings as to create adhesions such that the cells stick together (cells normally stick together in humans or we would all be unicellular critters) and cells that do not stick together have effective surfactant coatings which keep cells from sticking together. Sufficient pressure for sufficient time can displace the "non-stick" surfactants and adhesions result which occlude the blood vessels, thereby accomplishing castration.

If the Burdizzo method results in occluding adhesions, and the adhesions subsequently break, thereby opening blood vessel lumens, then Burdizzo castration will tend to fail to be effective.

That being the best theory I have yet developed,and having been aware of the method and theory, led me to seek surgical castration, and I have serious doubts that what I did will be very achievable for many other people.

I hold that people do the best that is actually possible when in difficult situations.

Sounds like a good enough theory to me janekane. If you hold a flesh wound together (with pressure, sutures, etc.) for long enough, the tissues join. I tend to think that the main reason Burdizzo castrations fail is because people don't hold the clamp shut for long enough. But that doesn't explain why the thing works better on livestock than on humans. For instance, I don't think vets (or stockholders) hold the thing shut for ages when doing cattle. So there might be something in the assertions that the testicular blood vessels of sheep, bovines, horses, etc. are more brittle or somehow more easily damaged than those of humans, though I can't for the life of me think why that should be.

stevesd (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:52 am Update: The crushed sites in the skin are almost healed, within one week of the burdizzo I had lab tests and showed my Hormone levels decreased below the Normal range. i.e, (my lab tests showed 181 vice normal range is 246-800 for Normal Range with Kaiser. I will be starting on HRT Hormone patch soon. I am sastified with the clamping, the site where the clamp bit down on left a good mark, it has mostly healed but I believe dammage was done to the cords through the use of the tool. The cords can repair themselves in Humans yes, from what I heard. I had swelling for a few days afterwards of the clamping, I used frozen peas for the pain and the swelling. The crush sites did have some drainage from the clamping. stevesd

Welcome to the brotherood. I was catrated surgically last Sept. sorry I ddn't do it sooner. Hope u continue to heal. I am not on HRT, but take calcium supplements.

Ralph

SD

Riven (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:01 pm Sounds like a good enough theory to me janekane. If you hold a flesh wound together (with pressure, sutures, etc.) for long enough, the tissues join. I tend to think that the main reason Burdizzo castrations fail is because people don't hold the clamp shut for long enough. But that doesn't explain why the thing works better on livestock than on humans. For instance, I don't think vets (or stockholders) hold the thing shut for ages when doing cattle. So there might be something in the assertions that the testicular blood vessels of sheep, bovines, horses, etc. are more brittle or somehow more easily damaged than those of humans, though I can't for the life of me think why that should be.

I can think of several explanations as to why Burdizzo castration works better on "non-human farm animals" than on "human farm animals." (From my biology perspective, all people are animals and not all animals are people.)

In comparing farm animals with humans, there may be a bunch of factors, which may, or may not, include, for the farm animals: thicker skin, thicker blood vessel walls, differences in the biological surfactants that keep cells from sticking together in situations where sticking together is biologiclly a bad idea. Quite a few factors could account for a Burdizzo working better with farm animals than with humans.

Blood vessels, human or other mammal, are required, to be functional, to maintain an open lumen; the alternative is one or another form of blocked blood vessel, as in the manner of a stroke.

I suppose it would be fair to propose that a Burdizzo clamp creates cell surface damage akin to the process of plaque formation in blood vessels when the clamping works effectively.

There might be an additional possibility, though I would not conjecture as to its likelihood. Arteries are relatively muscular, the muscles being ordinarly used to regulate blood flow distribution. These muscles, in some arteries, are strong enough to completely stop the flow of blood under some circumstances. Because of differences in nervous systems, in some farm animals, use of a Burdizzo might activate arterial shutdown, as another way of blocking testicular blood flow.

For my orchiectomy purposes, I had the biology background to be persuasive with a doctor, I also had as an additional persuader an Elastrator, to help the doctor think that, without help, I might be capable of a "do it myself" procedure.

But then, I made the decision, based on my own understanding of testosterone and what I expected it was doing and might have done had I kept it. Accordingly, to the extent that responsibility for a decision actually exists, I am totally responsible for the decision to get my orchiectomy.

Because I understand the decision I made and because I understand that there was essentially zero chance of anyone persuading me to not get the orchiectomy, I also understand why people who experience a need for an orchiectomy as much or more than I did will end up getting an orchiectomy or die in making the effort to get castrated.

I found myself in a decision without a viable alternative. Is that a decision? Or, is it a fact?

Riven (imported) wrote: Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:01 pm But that doesn't explain why the thing works better on livestock than on humans. For instance, I don't think vets (or stockholders) hold the thing shut for ages when doing cattle. So there might be something in the assertions that the testicular blood vessels of sheep, bovines, horses, etc. are more brittle or somehow more easily damaged than those of humans, though I can't for the life of me think why that should be.

Well, herd animals breed very differently. All wild herd animals have specific rutting seasons where they mate like crazy, but it only happens once or twice a year. So they spend most of the year producing no sperm, and then suddenly have to cum in dozens of females in a short time. Humans on the other hand have evolved such that the males are constantly ready to mate, and generally most young guys cum several times a day. So it seems to me that such big differences in mating habits and sperm formation could relate to very different blood supply arrangements. Also, humans being two-legged might have different ligaments supporting the testicles and those may interfere with the crushing action. Lastly, there is a difference in size with humans having relatively small testicles relative to most herd animals.

Anyway, it is quite possible that the testicles are as different as every other physical trait is between humans and herd animals.

Update:

My testicles have started to get smaller, I am almost pain free, I can still see the clamp marks that are healed, but my T levels within one week went down to 181 ml in the blood. Normal Range in men my age is 300- 1000. Before Starting on Androgel my T levels were 80 ml. The Doc did not want me in T shots due to having PTSD/Depression and the high's and lows of T. He wanted to just keep me at an even keel and I strted to have errections in the Morn again, of course I was a morning person when it came to sex anyway, some guys are better than in the evening when having sex. My Burdizzo clamping was a two fold mission; (1) to get fully on HRT because for about 20 years I was having hot flashes and would not be treated as long as I has functioning testicles so to speak, and (2) I liked the idea of having an empty scrotum sack, this burdizzo was carefully studied. I must stress it hurts like a mother fucker, not the cord getting clamped it's self mind you, it's the clamping of the scrotum skin together! The clamp marks are almost healed and the tissues around the area, fatty tissues etc. Balls are smaller and when I get an errection they shrival up inside and I have an errection with no testicles hanging below. I only recommend the Burdizzo for one who is healthy, and one who performs the crushing of the cords and how to trap them in the clamp. You have to make sure you don't get blood cloths and take other precautions medically speaking to one's own health. I am pleased with the results, I would not go through it again, even being a Marine, but believe I got what I was looking for and will be happy with the final results of Eunuch life being on HRT. I know now that my T levels will be more stable and things will work out. there are many postings here on the Burdizzo, some working some not, some with painful experiences. If I could have had a MD remove my testicles I would have gone that route and still recommend that medically speaking. However, just like abortion, try selling to a Doctor why you need to be castrated or want to be castrated and they look at you being crazy and lock you up in the looney ward! A healthy discussion among men and the reasons for castration should be something in the 21st Century addressed in a mature, healthy way. Take Care Eunuch Brothers, stevesd

Hi Steve. I hope your Burdizzo experience proves to be successful. The Burdizzo was my favoured means of castration but it didn't work for me (twice) so I had to pursue another option. The guy that clamped me had never used a Burdizzo before whereas you had the good fortune to find a rancher who I guess has a lot of experience.

All good wishes.

Well after the first clamping without any pain meds, I do not think I could go through a second time. I think some dammage was done because the testicles have started to shrink in size, they don't hang as loose in the scrotum and my T hormone levels decreased after clamping. I am on Androgel for T hormones, because I want to stay masculine. It hurt like a mother fucker for sure..the Rancher who clamped me held the clamp for 3 minutes each side..I was done doggie style like a bull he clamped and now most everything is healed 3 weeks later. Well time will only tell but it was worth the experience at any rate, and as a former Marine I had to prove something to a Navy guy who got the burdizzo the same night as I. Steve San Diego

Again I am pleased it seems to be working well for you and hope that continues for you.

Please keep us informed as thing continue to settle for you.

How is your mate going as well?

Congratulations again