Damn Puritans

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MacTheWolf (imported) wrote: Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:25 pm Yes, gareth19

All the witches in America, but one, were hanged. The one was crushed beneath a door.

Then again, dead is dead. And not for committing any action that would have been a crime today.

Giles Corey, wasn't a witch. He was pressed to death because he refused to enter a plea; hence he was never convicted of witchcraft and so not a witch.
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gareth19 (imported) wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:27 am Giles Corey, wasn't a witch. He was pressed to death because he refused to enter a plea; hence he was never convicted of witchcraft and so not a witch.

Correct gareth, none of those convicted were witches. Witches don't exist but our Puritan ancestors were too dumb to know that so they murdered 19 innocent people and cause the wrongful death of so many others.
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Here's a statue of John Endecott (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mit-libraries/3402164896/).

I love how the sculptor's got him looking down like a humble, but strong, public servant.

Early Boston Puritans hung heritics, included a couple Quaker women. That didn't sit too well with the general populace. Old public servant Endecott wasn't shy about sending people to the whipping post, either. But then again, many, many people are locked up in American prisons right now for the heinous crime of enjoying themselves with drugs. Or having sex with someone who hadn't turned 18. Nuts.

I remember reading somewhere where Puritans were called "Puritan scum". Perfect.
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I on the other hand DO believe in the devil. We CAN create our own devil and be driven to our own little hell by him. As for God if this is an antithesis of the devil then we can create our own... Excuse me, I have to run. Some Puritans somehow showed up.
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devi (imported) wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:02 pm I on the other hand DO believe in the devil. We CAN create our own devil and be driven to our own little hell by him. As for God if this is an antithesis of the devil then we can create our own... Excuse me, I have to run. Some Puritans somehow showed up.

As long as you stay 60 plus yards ahead of them you ought to be safe. The Puritans used smooth bore muskets that were terribly inaccurate after 60 yards.
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On a real trivial note, I found the essay that talked about the "Puritan Scum" (http://theanarchistlibrary.org/HTML/Leo ... ndustry_As _The_Origins_Of_Modern_Domination.html#toc4).

I'm not into history or politics. I like time-travel, though, which I get through old first-person narratives. I'm reading "The Conquest of New Spain" by Bernal Diaz at the moment. It's just incredible. Hollywood couldn't have made it up. There's a fair amount to religious and cultural intolerance at play in this story as well.

Speaking of Hollywood, there must have been a movie version of Cortes's conquest made somewhere along the line. I despise movies, though, as a totally corrupt and bankrupt medium. Boring, too, generally. That "Battle Royale" movie looks cool, though. I'm rambling.
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MacTheWolf (imported) wrote: Sat Feb 04, 2012 4:18 am Correct gareth, none of those convicted were witches. Witches don't exist but our Puritan ancestors were too dumb to know that so they murdered 19 innocent people and cause the wrongful death of so many others.

Clearly the majority of witches were simply innocents caught up in mass hysteria, but it would be foolish to claim all of them were. If the majority of the people believed in witchcraft, believed that you could obtain wealth and power by practicing witchcraft, by sacrificing an infant at midnight at a crossroads, with a silver knife, I know enough of human nature to know that there would be people, seeking wealth and power, who would sacrifice infants at midnight at a crossroads with a silver knife. In modern times there have still been a few Satanic killings, despite to belief of the vast majority that real witchcraft doesn't exist. How many more would there be in a time when almost all believed in it?

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The only "Satanic killings" I have ever heard of, later turned out to be fantastical inventions of a justice system gone wild.

Where I grew up in Saskatchewan, there was a famous case where daycare operators were accused of child abuse, and satanic worship, including sacrificing and eating babies under a full moon.

The accusations and trials destroyed the community, spread fear and hate, and turned out to be completely baseless.

The entire thing was eventually exposed as the police taking the word of a disturbed young boy, who was in foster care. The boy was known to suffer from schizophrenia, and a host of emotional problems. He was caught trying to burn down some building or other, and while in custody, began spinning his tale. The police took him seriously, despite it being clear that he was disturbed.

During the aftermath, it was revealed that the police used inappropriate methods for interviewing the children from the daycare. They interrogated children as young as 4 years of age, for up to twelve hours at a stretch, with no supervision. They used leading questions, and essentially created false memories within the children.

When the Judge eventually found the family who was running the daycare innocent of all charges, he said the only abuse that happened, was that of the police investigators on the children and community. It was the police that stoked the flames of hate and mistrust. It was the police that abused those children.

Unfortunately, the damage was done. The community was destroyed. The family who ran the daycare were destroyed. The daycare shuttered, and childhoods ruined.

Yeah, Puritans still exist, and they are still on witch hunts. Then as is now, they are fighting only the shadows of their own invention.
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Cainanite (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:03 pm The only "Satanic killings" I have ever heard of, later turned out to be fantastical inventions of a justice system gone wild.

Where I grew up in Saskatchewan, there was a famous case where daycare operators were accused of child abuse, and satanic worship, including sacrificing and eating babies under a full moon.

The accusations and trials destroyed the community, spread fear and hate, and turned out to be completely baseless.

........

Yeah, Puritans still exist, and they are still on witch hunts. Then as is now, they are fighting only the shadows of their own invention.

I didn't say all the accusations of satanic abuse were true. Most are fabrications, But see Adolfo Constanza: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolfo_Constanzo

Over the next few years he became the leader of a full-fledged religion with drug dealers, musicians and even police officers under his command. The religion, based in Matamoros, Tamaulipas, on the U.S.-Mexico border, sold drugs, held high-priced religious ceremonies, and by 1987 at the latest, murdered people for use in human sacrifices. These victims fell along with the religion's rivals in dealing drugs.

When a US citizen tourist, 21-year-old Mark J. Kilroy, disappeared in Matamoros during Spring Break 1989, local police, facing pressures from Texas authorities, began to search in earnest for him. They discovered Constanzo's religion quite by accident (in an unrelated drug investigation) and, after arresting some of the members, quickly discovered that they were responsible for the murder of Kilroy. Officials said Kilroy was killed by Constanzo with a machete chop to the back of the neck when he tried to escape about 12 hours after being taken to the ranch. The suspects said a number of the victims were dismembered and burned. .[1]

and Richard Ramirez http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Ramirez.

Or in the muddle ages consider Elizabeth Bathory, the most prolific female serial killer in history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Báthory

After her husband's death, she and four collaborators were accused of torturing and killing hundreds of girls, with one source attributing to them over 650 victims, though the number for which they were convicted was 80.[1] Elizabeth herself was neither tried nor convicted. In 1610, however, she was imprisoned in the Csejte Castle, now in Slovakia and known as Čachtice, where she remained bricked in a set of rooms until her death four years later.

Later writings about the case have led to legendary accounts of the Countess bathing in the blood of virgins in order to retain her youth and subsequently also to comparisons with Vlad III the Impaler of Wallachia, on whom the fictional Count Dracula is partly based, and to modern nicknames of the Blood Countess and Countess Dracula.

Not all accusations are fabrications.

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gedanken (imported) wrote: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:09 am On a real trivial note, I found the essay that talked about the "Puritan Scum" (http://theanarchistlibrary.org/HTML/Leo ... ndustry_As _The_Origins_Of_Modern_Domination.html#toc4).

I'm not into history or politics. I like time-travel, though, which I get through old first-person narratives. I'm reading "The Conquest of New Spain" by Bernal Diaz at the moment. It's just incredible. Hollywood couldn't have made it up. There's a fair amount to religious and cultural intolerance at play in this story as well.

Speaking of Hollywood, there must have been a movie version of Cortes's conquest made somewhere along the line. I despise movies, though, as a totally corrupt and bankrupt medium. Boring, too, generally. That "Battle Royale" movie looks cool, though. I'm rambling.

gedanken

It's been years since I've read Bernal Diaz. As I recall he was colorful :)
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